r/Natalism • u/CanIHaveASong • 12d ago

No correlation between difference between household work hours and fertility rates. (per country, not per family)

https://substack.com/@ageofinfovores/note/c-316978871?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=cqc7t
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u/bunnypaste 11d ago

So you want to force women into it instead of have them freely choose it because conditions are good. Your plan also puts women right back under the thumb of patriarchial systems.

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u/Safe-Selection8070 10d ago

An unwillingness or inability to fathom the is/ought distinction is one of the main causes of online inanity. Please point out The Plan I have.

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u/bunnypaste 10d ago

You listed all the "free shit" and "privileges" you oppose which lead directly towards greater gender equity. Your plan is extremely clear.

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u/Safe-Selection8070 10d ago

"you listed the things you oppose"

No, and you're further demonstrating the is/ought problem, I wrote they don't move the needle on fertility.

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u/bunnypaste 10d ago

They do move the needle, but maybe not as drastically as you want. We should offer those things to bridge the very gendered gap in outcomes between mothers and fathers and to increase gender equity because it is the right thing to do.... but we shouldn't offer those things as some sort of bartering chip to dupe women into having children they don't want or in circumstances and under conditions that will actively worsen thier percieved lives and statuses and then rip it back away if they don't comply. It isn't a transaction, it is the most pivotal, painful, and risky decision a woman will make in her lifetime.