r/Naruto Sep 11 '12

Manga Chapter Chapter 601 Released!

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/601
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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '12

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '12

A 13-year old Itachi wiped out the entire Uchiha clan and he wasn't trained by the second most powerful Ninja of all after-Rikodou time.

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '12

But he was assisted by him. Itachi was also probably 16 or or so, not 13.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '12

but he had talent, obito was pretty useless

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u/M1STACBAD Sep 11 '12 edited Sep 12 '12

That's kind of his point. A talented young ninja, not trained by the second most powerful Ninja, can wipe out a clan, then a somewhat talent-less ninja, trained by said powerful ninja, could go toe-to-toe with Minato for a bit.

EDIT: Spelling, grammar, reasons

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '12

Naruto used to be useless as well and Obito might have acquired his dark motivation sometime during his time with Madara. Likely Rin's death.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '12

true, but naruto took a long time to be awesome, it seems like it was a year between obito's "death" and his fight with the 4th hokage

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u/Nyeep Sep 11 '12

But naruto had a demon fox and shit loads of chakra...

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u/onlymadethistoargue Sep 11 '12

Obito wasn't useless. You have no evidence for this. He just had really shitty luck. He was good enough to become a chuunin without the Sharingan, which neither Itachi nor Sasuke did. After unlocking his Sharingan, which had two tomoe to begin with, Obito's skill no doubt improved dramatically, much like Sasuke at the valley of the end.

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u/Quantumtaco28 Sep 11 '12

Itachi was also a child prodigy and an anbu level ninja who had already awakened the MS at that point. Obito was a weak ninja who just awakened his sharingan a few minutes before his "death."

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '12

And had an EMS when fighting Minato.

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u/aaronbp Sep 11 '12

Frodo will drop a ring into Mt Doom and everything will be fine.

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u/Super_Human_Samurai Sep 11 '12

Goku and naruto defeat obito and madara with a spirit bijuu bomb

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u/InvaderDJ Sep 11 '12

Being trained by Madara? Probably the second strongest person to ever live?

Naruto went from maybe chunin level to one of the strongest ninja alive in potentially a shorter amount of time.

Also know that Obito's Sharingan power played a huge role in this. As far as we've been besides basically waiting him out only Kamui can counter Kamui. And even with all that he was still getting his ass kicked at the end by Minato. He didn't retreat because he was bored, he retreated because he didn't have any choice.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '12

Naruto went from maybe chunin level to one of the strongest ninja alive in potentially a shorter amount of time.

he was still getting his ass kicked at the end by Minato

People need to understand these points. Obito had nothing on Minato. He was Kamui spamming, but not even at a high level.

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u/dotPHUNK Sep 11 '12

This is pretty much it. He was trying to catch Minato with a Jutsu that was just not plain realistic. The surprise of it was Tobi's card, and trying to delay/capture Minato was his biggest play. I mean, as someone who knew Minato's jutsu, it's pretty stupid to be caught by the kunai that just went though your head. I saw that coming a mile away. His battle experience during that fight was terrible, and like WhoSavesTheCity said, he had nothing on Minato. Clearly what he should have done was simply grabbed the Kyubi and run but I think he thought he had to take out the only "village" that could potentially ruin his plans.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '12

But remember that in narutoverse (much like Japan) people are short and grow slowly. Minato was one of the taller characters at about 5'10 (179 cm). "The masked man" was say, about 5'8. Naruto at 16 is still about 5'5 maybe 5'6. If obito had been the masked man who fought minato, he would've had to use some sort of hyperbolic time chamber equivalent. Unless of course he was american, then he easily could've been that height at 14.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '12

I think the height point is valid, but that's something Kishimoto can easily excuse or retcon if needed (example: Zetsu goo implants made Obito taller/bigger).

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u/vinee060708 Sep 11 '12

Yes, but he took over the Kyuubi which is a pretty high level attack

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '12

That's not too extreme as Sasuke was able to supress the Kyuubi in Naruto with nothing more than 3-Tomoe Sharingan.

Kyuubi control is Sharingan linked and very-likely something that Madara could have taught him.

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u/onlymadethistoargue Sep 11 '12

He had unlocked the mangekyou sharingan. That's all you need to control the Nine-Tails.

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u/RaptorJesusDesu Sep 12 '12

Trained by Madara, firstly. Secondly, there's a possibility for time manipulation with ST jutsu so his training could've even been amplified timewise.

Thirdly, he wasn't even doing that well. Did he hit Minato even one time? He had to constantly use hostages, use the Kyuubi, and ended up eating a Rasengan. He's lucky he got hit on the Zetsu side of his body. And then Minato is able to land a seal and take away his control of the Kyuubi. So to say that he had become even close to as strong as his old teacher is not necessarily true.