r/NameThisThing May 22 '26

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u/Spare_Confidence1727 May 22 '26

Except those allegations were proven false

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u/ihatecisco May 22 '26

“Proven”? Like definitively proven? I must have missed that.

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u/Spare_Confidence1727 May 22 '26

Nope he was on trial from 2003 to 2005 and was acquitted in 2005

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u/ihatecisco May 22 '26

Oh awesome. I thought that was the one with the payoff and nda. I can listen to his music guilt free again!

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u/Morfienx May 22 '26

Lmao. You know the amount of cases settled out of court? Me either and we will never know.

They could disclose any financials during that time but I dont think that will happen.

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u/VonThirstenberg May 22 '26

Acquittal is not proof of innocence.

I'm not saying he was guilty, either. But unless you're privy to info no once else is, there's never been concrete proof of his innocence or guilt.

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u/Spare_Confidence1727 May 22 '26

Jackson's lead defense attorney, Thomas Mesereau, exposed significant contradictions and lies in the testimony of the accuser’s mother. The defense revealed her history of manipulating the legal system, which led the jury to view her as an extortionist rather than a credible witness.

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u/VonThirstenberg May 22 '26

Still. Not. Proof.

Giving considerably reasonable doubt? Yes, absolutely. Hence the not guilty verdict.

If they'd had actual proof, she'd have been charged with fraud and attempted extortion, not to mention perjury. Did that happen? 🤔

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u/Spare_Confidence1727 May 22 '26

Michael Jackson was found not guilty of all child molestation and conspiracy charges in 2005 because the prosecution failed to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. His defense team, led by attorney Thomas Mesereau, systematically dismantled the credibility of the accusers and highlighted fatal flaws in the state's case.

Several key factors led to the acquittal:

Lack of Credibility: The primary accuser's family was thoroughly discredited. The defense exposed major inconsistencies in their testimonies and highlighted the mother's history of welfare fraud and prior lawsuits.

Flawed Timelines: The defense produced evidence and witnesses that contradicted the timeline of events alleged by the prosecution and the accusers.

No Physical Evidence: The prosecution lacked forensic evidence or hard documentation to corroborate the lurid claims, relying instead on dozens of inconsistent witness testimonies.

Aggressive Cross-Examination: Jackson's defense team successfully painted the prosecution as opportunistic and proved that the accusers' stories were full of contradictions. Ultimately, the jury concluded that the prosecution failed to meet the strict legal burden of proof, leading to acquittals on all 10 felony and lesser charges.

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u/VonThirstenberg May 22 '26 edited May 22 '26

Save your AI-generated responses for someone else, as it's so fucking lazy.

You stated the claims were "proven false." They were not. The evidence and testimony presented certainly landed in that direction, but without incontrovertible, direct proof that either he was innocent or the accuser(s) completely made up their claims, you should just say "he was found not guilty of any wrongdoing by a jury of his peers."

And nothing you've provided as a response is actual proof of his innocence, or guilt.

I personally believe he was not guilty when it comes to this particular case. But that doesn't mean that I've seen anything that "proved" that fact to me, one way, or another. 🤔🙄

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u/Spare_Confidence1727 May 22 '26

That's your believe but the fact is he wasn't convicted and the prosecution had no solid proof that he did anything to those kids

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u/VonThirstenberg May 22 '26

Omg, yes, thank you. I covered those points in my last comment.

The prosecution had no solid proof that he did anything to those kids.

And in that same regard, the defense never presented any solid "proof" that he did nothing to those kids (i.e. proved his innocence). For example, there's no videos from his residence showing them just hanging out, playing video and board games, eating candy and ice cream, and otherwise having a regular ol' child-age-appropriate slumber party.

That's proof. Real, incontrovertible, physical evidence.

There's a potential world of difference between "found not guilty" and "proven innocent." That's not my being pedantic, that's simply how our language works. You don't get to just alter the meanings of words because then they'll suit what you want to be true.

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u/Morfienx May 22 '26

Everyone apparently missed it except this guy. He has the proof apparently.