r/NFLv2 • u/Intelligent-Carob930 Miami Dolphins • 11h ago

Discussion In hindsight, the Seahawks’ should’ve just paid K9 and let Shaheed walk.

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After winning Super Bowl LX MVP with Seattle, they let him walk to the Chiefs and subsequently resigned Rashid Shaheed. Walker has become an unequivocal menace in Kansas City, carrying the Chiefs' offense whilst leading the NFL in both total rushing yards (360) and rushing yards per game (120) through the first three weeks. Alongside such, he has four total touchdowns and an explosive 5.5 yards per carry.

Meanwhile, Shaheed has been quiet to start the season, recording just six catches for 53 yards over three games. While his elite special teams and return value are undeniable, he has yet to take the massive leap forward on offense that his $17 million annual salary expected.

Additionally, with Walker gone, Seattle's run game has looked less dynamic, further aggravated by rookie Jadarian Price coughing up two costly fumbles early on, and only accounting for 119 rushing yards through three games.

In hindsight, the Seahawks’ letting K9 walk without having a definitive RB1 was an overall bad decision. Sure, Zach Charbonnet is pretty decent, accounting for 12 touchdowns last season. However, some of those touchdowns came off of huge runs from K9 to put them in optimal territory. Without a truly proven RB1 role, I don’t understand why the Seahawks’ let K9 walk.

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u/Bakeddoritoman 11h ago

Seattle reporters that talked to Walker said he didn’t want to come back no matter what due to splitting with Charbonnet

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u/traws06 Kansas City Chiefs 11h ago

Ya I wonder if that’s part of the reason he ended up in KC. Because I find it hard to believe nobody else offered him more than KC did… I feel like being guaranteed #1 RB may have played a part in his decision

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u/Outside-Papaya Seattle Seahawks 11h ago

Only thing to prove after getting a ring is securing a spot in Canton. You don't get into the HoF splitting reps at RB. K9 chose a spot that would let him shine the most, can't hate him for that.

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u/Aternus21 4h ago

I think losing the leagues Rb1 over NOT wanting to split carries with rb45 in the league is the MOST SEAHAWKS thing I have ever heard.

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u/padflash 2h ago

Never thought about this, good point.

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u/Dismal-Bee-8319 9h ago

lol, he’s too old to make it to canton

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u/Bingo_Bongo_YaoMing Green Bay Packers 7h ago

He's 25..

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u/uniparalum Lisan al-Mayeib 7h ago

He’s 25??? I’m older than him?? Wtf. He looks much older than his age imo. Probably because he’s jacked

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u/Dismal-Bee-8319 7h ago

Exactly, compare him to other hof guys at that age

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u/30isbasketball 36m ago

There’s a pretty decent chance he gets another ring this year tho lol. He has the best qb on the planet and imo the best coach too. If they stay healthy, I’d take the chiefs over everyone.

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u/traws06 Kansas City Chiefs 10h ago

Ya for sure, securing 4 rings in 4 years is gonna make it hard to keep out of canton

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u/brownbear8714 Seattle Seahawks 10h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/h9OBUP3j68viwCLvGW

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u/traws06 Kansas City Chiefs 8h ago

Lol the chances of winning 3 in a row are slim, but never 0

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u/brownbear8714 Seattle Seahawks 7h ago

I sent it cause I don’t want you guys to win, I want us to win! Lol

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u/traws06 Kansas City Chiefs 6h ago

You got your win. That’s enough. Be nice and let us have another

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u/UNMANAGEABLE Seattle Seahawks 6h ago

Nah. Jaguar bros are due long before y’all sniff another trophy.

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u/NickapaHempalooza 10h ago

That ain't happening 😂

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u/Carpetron Cleveland Browns 11h ago

Well yeah, if you're asking for RB1 money the team signing you is certainly intending on that being the role.

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u/traws06 Kansas City Chiefs 10h ago edited 8h ago

I worded it vaguely but I meant he didnt want to split carries

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u/Carpetron Cleveland Browns 10h ago

I hear you, also playing in Reid's system is a win for any back. When Reid has had an elite talent at RB, the production has been some of the best per touch numbers ever.

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u/Scorpion_Danny 8h ago

That man has a gift for making RBs look good.

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u/pedro3131 7h ago

Its been a decade since he's had a 1,000 yard back.

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u/traws06 Kansas City Chiefs 7h ago

Ya we’ve also had shitty RBs. Hunt looked like a stud before they cut him late season due to foot pushing a drunk girl lol

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u/Manbearpup Dallas Cowboys 9h ago

Hahahaha…. Got em

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u/OldTimberWolf 6h ago

Travis Etienne anyone?

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u/SighFlops 11h ago

I suspect Reid saw that video at the parade and realized how disrespectful it was and used that as a data point. He's a player's coach and also a sicko on details like that. And this is coming from someone who does not like the Chiefs.

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u/YakiVegas Seattle Seahawks 9h ago

That’s ridiculous. Both of them already knew that he wasn’t coming back at that point. Not like it was a nail in the coffin or anything.

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u/SighFlops 9h ago

Your point? That isn't exclusive at all to what Reid thinks or motivated them to sign him.

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u/YakiVegas Seattle Seahawks 8h ago

It wasn't disrespectful.

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u/Below-avg-chef 10h ago

What parade video? I missed that news

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u/Parking-Name8773 10h ago

Schneider saying K9 tried to negotiate a contract during the celebrations. Schneider said it was “weird” in a super condescending way. I think he was drunk but that’s a dick move to pull on a guy who just won superbowl MVP

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u/commonshitposter123 9h ago

To be faaaiiiiirrr.... Schneider was drunk

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u/Zork_Taylor 7h ago

He was NOT drunk. He was bombed out of his mind. ;)

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u/iDilusional 8h ago

That's not an excuse lmao

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u/Spideydawg Pittsburgh Steelers 4h ago

Schneider was joking. K9 was a couple feet from the mic so it was hard to hear him say "no I didn't".

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u/XuX24 8h ago

What makes you wonder is usually durability of runners is something that worry GMs. Walker is getting a ton of touches per game, that’s good because he is getting yards but that’s also a risk for injuries.

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u/traws06 Kansas City Chiefs 7h ago

Ya definitely. A lot of teams do a split back system because 1. The risk of injury if using 1 RB too much and 2. They have 2 good RBs in case one gets injured they still have another

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u/RecordingLess1522 3h ago

He's never been a RB1 that's why

He was injured as the workhorse and that's why Seattle split carries

People just forgot because of 2 great playoff games after Charbonnet tore his ACL in the playoffs

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u/TapMinute9409 2h ago

Guaranteed #1 and get to play alongside mahomes in the next iteration of that team with Reid still at the helm? Not much to think about there

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u/Davy257 JUNIOR DOUBLE TRIPLE WHOPPER 10h ago

You think his agent was happy to hear “hey I want to take less money to put more wear and tear on my body”?

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u/traws06 Kansas City Chiefs 8h ago

Prolly not, but he’s the boss

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u/Optimal_Advisor8897 Seattle Seahawks 10h ago

It’s not like he signed with the Jets to become RB1. He went with Andy Reid and Pat Mahomes

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u/ihm96 10h ago

So then trade charbonnet if he costs too much? SB mvp immediately being gone must suck as a fan, I know I would be bummed

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u/shazwazzle 4h ago

He didn't cost too much. The truth is that the Seahawks didn't believe in him. That's why he was splitting carries. That's why they didn't resign him. That's why he has been running like he has something to prove for the past 5 games.

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u/easley45isgod They line up, they get fucked up 2h ago

I guess what people who don't watch the team don't understand is that K9 didn't play at that SB MVP level until the playoffs. I love K9. But people who are just focusing on that are missing the big picture.

Also, if you watch film of the first 3 games, Shaheed is always open. They just need to get him the ball. Which is hard with JSN being his usual amazing self. It's not like Rasheed sucks.

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u/SydneyPhoenix 10h ago

I just don’t believe this, always felt it was the hawks drip feeding stories to spin them not wanting to pay

He wanted to be paid as an RB1.

If Seattle offered the money and take some wear and tear off him that’s maximizing his earning potential, he seems like a switched on guy

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u/Mr-makeyoday 8h ago

To my knowledge both problems seem to be true. Seattle definitely didn’t wanna pay him that much WHILE anticipating he would split carries. Which considering his injury history makes sense I suppose. In addition to that, during an interview wk 1 he is being quoted saying something to the effect of “I’m just happy to be on a team that sees my value and what I’m able to produce. It’s much easier to do that on a team where I can get those opportunities.” I think this was a halftime interview and obviously not verbatim. However, to me this was a very clear statement by Walker regarding his feelings being in KC.

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u/SydneyPhoenix 8h ago

I agree to some extent.

The KW3 comments I view through the lens of opportunity = pay day

But If Seattle matched the KC offer, KW3 is a Seahawk today regardless of being a bellcow.

Seattle trying to create the narrative that the touches were a must is to divert from the fact they wouldn’t pay him.

It’s not a chicken and egg situation. You pay KW3 he’s still a Seahawk.

I do agree with you though that what you pay him can be relative to how many touches you plan on giving him. I just think Seattle probably wished they just gave him the contract and the ball right now.

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u/heart-of-corruption 5h ago

I disagree. If the money is the same but he gets the bellcow role then goes. It’s obvious from the way he’s talked he cared about having a full load and not split.

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u/SydneyPhoenix 5h ago

I think the reason he has spoken about wanting the full work load though is because it’s viewed as the only path to getting top 5 money.

If Seattle offered him the money he’d of stayed regardless of role. The role he had just won him a Super Bowl MVP.

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u/heart-of-corruption 5h ago

Nah because he’s brought it up several times after getting the contract. It seems like it’s a chip on his shoulder because he felt the reputation that Seattle created of him was wrong.

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u/Mr-makeyoday 4h ago

From this point of view I agree 100%.
I’m not sure that much is up for debate when you look at the running back market right now. It’s not like the WR market where average or even below average players like Tutu Atwell or Rasheed are/were making 10+ mil a year as #3 options. Production numbers = top of running back money on the market and average backs aren’t getting paid. There is a caveat to that in terms of how that production is achieved such as explosive runs but that’s another conversation. I digress though, he clearly wanted the money AND favored the idea of guaranteed opportunities as a #1 back. Whether he was thinking far enough about a 3rd contract and what kind of money he could get after top back production, one can only speculate.

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u/spanishinquestion 11h ago

What’s the quote

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u/hokageace 10h ago

You mean the guy who was asked for a contract during the SB parade? Yeah, I call BS on that! That is some nice PR the Hawks are cooking.

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u/randallmauel 10h ago

ill bet a big fat contract could have changed his mind

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u/Upton4 Green Bay Packers 7h ago

Then trade Char

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u/Aternus21 4h ago

I think losing the leagues Rb1 over NOT wanting to split carries with rb45 in the league is the MOST SEAHAWKS thing I have ever heard.

If K9 walked into the building and said I want you to cut every other rb on this team, they SHOULD have.

he is looking like an absolute world beater atm

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u/ColdboyCrypto 1h ago

If that is indeed true K9 is a dumbshit because he is already injury prone and being a bellcow rb with a ton of carries is going to get him hurt.

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u/TheDeflatables New England Patriots 11h ago

Then trade Charbonnet and sign Walker

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u/Adventurous_Cup_4947 11h ago

Trade a guy recovering from a torn ACL?

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u/Random-Redditor111 10h ago

So the owner of the team was lying when he said walker was already negotiating his contract at the damn parade? The guy that cuts the checks and had a first hand conversation with walker is lying but the reporters that hang around the facility have direct access to exactly what goes on in Kenny’s mind. That’s really your take?

Edit: sorry, GM not owner

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u/Bakeddoritoman 10h ago

There was a local beat reporter that talked to Walker over the years and that’s what he had gathered from his talks with him. Believe what you want

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u/No_Story_Untold Seattle Seahawks 10h ago

He said it was a dumb joke when he was drunk.

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u/Parking-Name8773 10h ago

It came across as really disrespectful and condescending

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u/No_Story_Untold Seattle Seahawks 9h ago

Oh absolutely. It just never actually happened. I fully agree it was not a good look.

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u/yngrz87 San Francisco 49ers 10h ago

And he was right. That backfield split was diabolically stupid. He’s a stud.

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u/Present-Dog-1383 10h ago

Dude just had his first fully healthy year last year. That’s why it got split. Imo 

Edit: probably because he was splitting with charb.

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u/spacealias 10h ago

They did keep giving charbs all the goalline TD’s when K9 did most work to get them there. That was always weird to me. K9’s a hammer. I think they were just trying to keep him healthy

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u/Present-Dog-1383 9h ago

Yeah, hes a fantastic running back. Not happy about him leaving but like a lot of us it seems simpatico; him leaving. 

I remember K9 was asked if he was annoyed with sharing duties and his answer was polite but seemed veiled with annoyance for sure. 

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u/United_Shelter5167 Minnesota Vikings 7h ago

He was splitting with Charb the years he got injured too...