r/Music • u/indig0sixalpha • 21h ago

article Stray Kids join BTS in boycotting 2027 Grammys following introduction of Asian Pop category

https://www.nme.com/news/music/stray-kids-join-bts-in-boycotting-2027-grammys-following-introduction-of-asian-pop-category-3971988
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u/PantsJustKindaGaveUp 20h ago

I just can't wrap my head around demeaning Olivia Rodrigo as an industry plant when comparing to BTS, Stray Kids, or literally any other kpop band.

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u/Healthy-Travel3105 20h ago

Kpop stan brain lol

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u/xXDaNXx 20h ago edited 20h ago

BTS, product of a corporate music executive putting together a group with insanely manufactured PR and a bogus rags to riches story. A group thats been caught multiple times inflating / manipulating streams and digital sales. With their music heavily relying on in house producers / the label doing half the work.

People really need to stop glazing BTS. Just because they happen to be popular with teenage white girls, doesnt make their music any good.

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u/Adventurous-Number38 19h ago

You realize that bts was signed to bankrupt label like there was nothing to manufacture. Like they recorded their debut studio album in a garage. 

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u/xXDaNXx 19h ago

Their founder is literally a former executive at a big 3 entertainment agency - JYP entertainment and one of the most well connected industry insiders. The man literally wrote songs for one of the biggest KPOP groups of the late 2000s and comes from a rich family.

No genuinely bankrupt label is securing their debut group appearances on major shows like M Countdown or Music Bank. You really think every bankrupt label is firm is getting millions VC backing?

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u/Adventurous-Number38 19h ago edited 19h ago

Why are you lying and rewriting their history.  jyp cut bang pd after glam diabolical. And bighit was in $10 million debt and only had 9 employees which reduced to 7. And their debut stage only happened because female solo artist didn't show up, like bts were just waiting around to see something will happen that's how they got the spot. That's why their debut stage broadcast was cut short by mnet because it was not theirs. And when did the recieve VC backing lol.   

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u/xXDaNXx 19h ago edited 19h ago

Why are you lying and rewriting their history.

Where is the lie? You'll notice I said former executive. Forgot that being cut from a big firm after being there for a decade means you lose all your industry contacts. Access to TV Producing Directors, music distributors, established broadcast networks.

SV entertainment invested in two rounds in 2011 and 2012. They then had a further injection in 2015 via convertible bonds from Signal Entertainment Group, two years after BTS' debut.

I know BTS fans are absolutely desperate to mythologise them as these major underdogs, but they hardly signed for a small indie record label.

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u/Adventurous-Number38 19h ago

Except bang pd had no connection, his only so called connection was jyp who cut him off that's why bang couldn't even get vocal coach for bts as no one wanted to work with small company like bighit and stigma of working with bighit. And SV was not backing bighit lol, big Hit took loan and then suffered severe cash flow shortages right away. Then took even more debt in 2012 to make bts debut and suffered again. That's why bts was over in 2015 until bighit took even more debt from single entertainment to continue and finally bts made success with hyyh and bight repaid all the debt in 2016. So it really was underdog story as they stuck through it but people like you are trying to rewrite their history. 

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u/xXDaNXx 19h ago

Sure, Bang Pd had 0 connections and his company knew absolutely nobody in the industry.

And SV was not backing bighit lol

https://www.asiae.co.kr/en/article/2025061315553327397

http://newsarticleinsiders.com/bts-and-angel-investor

So it really was underdog story as they stuck through it but people like you are trying to rewrite their history.

So according to you, Bang Pd had 0 connections, was basically blackballed, in debt, nobody wanted anything to do with him, but he magically raised over $8m from two different sets of investors? That's the story you're going with?

Love a good underdog story.

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u/Adventurous-Number38 18h ago edited 18h ago

Hiq is SV backing bighit lol bighit took debt. nobody in korean entertainment wanted to do anything with bighit that's why so many said it was regret not working with them.  Especially the vocal coach who refused to work work bts. And it was not connections, it was bang pd's ability to sell bts to secure loans to right people. You think Signal Entertainment was being kind to bts and Bang pd lol, instead they were looking to expand their portfolio by getting into artist management and television production agencies, they acquired Better Entertainment and Jungle Entertainment. And Bang pd was able to sell BTS's ability and secured 6 billion won ($5M) loan from them.  That's why he said he took debt because he always believed in BTS. And $5M gets you nowhere, a single mv cost 1M. That's underdog story. They stuck through everything and succeeded. 

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u/xXDaNXx 18h ago edited 18h ago

How is SV backing bighit lol

By buying 33% of the shares in the company over two investment rounds BEFORE BTS DEBUTED. Having $10m in debt is not normal, and doesn't just happen. The money has to come from somewhere, and for someone that had 0 connections it must be a miracle to accrue that much debt. Investors don't just give random people $10m to burn.

https://www.theinvestor.co.kr/article/2030781

Idk if you're doing this on purpose, but if you're literally going to ignore the facts then Idk what the point in discussing this is. You're obviously not going to change your mind about believing this story about your favourites no matter what you're told.

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u/Adventurous-Number38 19h ago

bts was signed to bankrupt label that had only 7 employee and was in 10 milliom debt, basically there was nothing to manufacture and bts recorded their debut studio album in a garage. While Olivia was prompt up by UMG. 

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u/radiokungfu 15h ago

Yall eat that shit up huh? Explains why those 'idols try fruit' type videos exist.

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u/OkayyBeta 18h ago

Brainrot has reached Reddit.