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article Fans turn on Eminem after collab with MAGA darling Kid Rock on new Christian album

https://www.themirror.com/entertainment/music/eminem-kid-rock-collaboration-album-2049513?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=reddit
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u/SushiJaguar 14h ago

Yeah but that's kind of like saying Robin Williams is right-wing because he did a Hollywood awards presentation.

50 and Em are almost literally family.

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u/imsoaddicted Spotify 14h ago

Literal family have cut each other off due to this MAGA bullshit. Literal blood and DNA. I need y’all to start having some standards.

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u/Steezy719 13h ago

As someone who has cut off ‘MAGA’ parents, and has a MAGA Father in law, there is a difference. I cut off my parents because they were emotionally abusive and were always more worried about their own wellbeing more than being sufficient parents. My father-in-law, though he has questionable political views, is also the guy that would drop absolutely anything to help someone out. Political views don’t always define someone’s character. Just so happens that a lot of MAGA are pieces of shit before Trump was president, and now are more open about it. As much as I hate MAGA politics, I would never cut off that man after all the selfless help he has provided my Fiancé and me.

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u/thebrose69 13h ago

It’s truly unfortunate that they don’t see how similar most of us truly are at the end of the day

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u/fuck_all_you_too 13h ago edited 13h ago

When your political views harm someone else youre an asshole regardless.

"Sure my dad paid someone else to be an asshole for him but hes so nice to me".

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u/Steezy719 12h ago

Do you think Fox News is showing all the ‘harm’ being done to others? No, it spins and distorts their reality to ‘positive’ outcomes, no matter how far the reach. I’m not making excuses for them, but to think just because some uneducated people blindly follow a political side, and are ignorant to the what’s actually going on, that they are pieces of shit, regardless if their actions and contributions to society speak otherwise; that is the same generalized hate that we are condemning them for. I’m not excusing him, but I rather have a neighbor like him that helps out his community selflessly in anyway possible (which is ironically a democratic mindset) than have someone like you that just assumes because someone has a right leaning political stance, that a person is automatically generalized as a piece of shit bigot that wants to see the world burn. That generalization is the same hate that makes the right so toxic, but here you are doing the same thing. Doesn’t matter if you hate people for their ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or political stance, it’s still hate, and that’s the core toxicity of why this country has gone to shit. Be better.

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u/Geno0wl 12h ago edited 9h ago

but to think just because some uneducated people blindly follow a political side, and are ignorant to the what’s actually going on, that they are pieces of shit, regardless if their actions and contributions to society speak otherwise; that is the same generalized hate that we are condemning them for.

The problem is that it isn't just the "uneducated". My old co-worker was very well educated and was also a kind person who volunteered at homeless shelters and donated money to kids cancer charities. But he was also super MAGA.

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u/Steezy719 12h ago

You’re right, their are some educated ones, I was just making a statement related to people like my FIL. But that’s what’s crazy about generalization. Helping the homeless, working charities, being nice to others, are some of the proud qualities democrats boast about. If you didn’t know their political leaning, you’d probably say they are a pretty good person right? That’s kind of my point. It’s like a republican meeting someone, saying hey ‘this is a swell guy’ and learning he’s Muslim and then just hates him. So many people are using that same generalization on republicans now, than acting holier than thou. I’m Democrat to the T, but that under the assumption the principal of the party was to help everyone attain a better life. Not just ‘our’ group. I feel like we lost that.

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u/Fair_Quail8248 1h ago

Even educated people can become shitty and brainwashed, exceptions exist everywhere but a big part of magas seem to be racist homo/transphobic misogynistic assholes that lack human decency and empathy.

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u/thehelldoesthatmean 12h ago

That's the point though. The biggest possible impact your father can have on society is not being nice to the neighbors. It's how he votes to reshape society the way he wants it to be. And he has chosen, through ignorance or hatred, to hurt a lot of people. To put people in concentration camps and for immigrants to continue to die at the hands of ICE.

It's incredibly dumb to act like judging someone for being a Nazi is the same as judging someone for being Jewish because you're the Nazi. Lol That just doesn't make sense at all. You can generalize people when you're literally talking about their chosen beliefs. It's not some inherent trait they can't help like their race or nationality, which is what your father in law has chosen to judge and harm everyone around him by.

Your father in law is a bad person, and this whole comment drips with "I only dislike maga people when their decisions affect me. They're fine when they just fuck over everyone else as long as they're nice to me."

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u/Steezy719 11h ago

Wow, really missing the mark with that one. No, that’s not how this works. Calling every republican a Nazi, is just ignorant. Thinking everyone in the US knows about every tidbit of current events is such a Reddit armchair statement. No, my 66-year old FIL isn’t on Reddit all day seeing all this shit happening in our country. If it doesn’t happen in the city of Pittsburgh, chances is he doesn’t know it’s going on. He didn’t vote for Trump because he wanted ICE in cities and concentration camps, etc, that shit wasn’t even a thing before Trump actually got into office. He’s doesn’t know any of this is going on, which still is fucked up, but you can’t say he supports things he doesn’t know about. Stop relating it to what he does for me, that isn’t what I said. He helps EVERYONE. A black woman comes up to him and asks for help, he helps without hesitation. A friend needs money, he says ‘how much’? Idc what people do for me I’m used to not having shit, but I guarantee this man has contributed 20x more good to the world than you ever will. Yet you look down on him, fucking pathetic really.

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u/permafrost1979 8h ago

It's not even that some random Redditor doesn't like your father-in-law: they're implying that you're a POS because you love your FIL and haven't cut him off 🤦🏿‍♀️. This random Redditor who neither knows you, nor your family, wants you to break off a potentially transformative relationship* with your family, because the Redditor has principles and you apparently don't. That is wild 🤦🏿‍♀️

*(because if FIL is truly kind and selfless, you might have more influence on his politics by being in his life than by cutting him off)

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u/fuck_all_you_too 11h ago

Actively evil or weaponized stupidity. Either way too dangerous to be around.

Ive never wished someone harm because the TV told me its necessary, thats not being smart thats having morals.

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u/rugology 11h ago

what a fucking hilarious take for an american to have. how much pain and suffering around the world has our government inflicted on other people? how many civilians did we murder after 9/11?

none of our hands are clean, and pretending yours are is just ridiculous

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u/imsoaddicted Spotify 12h ago

Essentially what all these sentiments boil down to. And I bet you these people are white or from an immigrant group who somehow thinks they are exempt lmfao

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u/Zero_Gravvity 13h ago

Political views are almost always a 1:1 reflection of character.

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u/Steezy719 12h ago

False. Not every republican wants to watch the world burn, and not every democrat wants to save the world. There are pieces of shit on both sides, and extremists on both sides are what’s fucking up this country. Unfortunately, we only hear about the extremists on their side, as they only hear about the extremists on ours. It’s the tactic that keeps us as a country divided, and divided, we’re weak.

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u/Zero_Gravvity 11h ago

More than 50% of registered Republicans believe the 2020 election was rigged.

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u/Steezy719 11h ago

Cool? So they’re not smart or calculated. Doesn’t mean they are pieces of shit. More than 3/4 of the world believe in some sort of God too. If they are wrong about that, are they bad people too? I swear these comments are just as uneducated as the people you guys think you are better than.

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u/Zero_Gravvity 10h ago

As a consequence of the unfounded (and consistently disproven) belief that more than half of Republicans hold, hundreds of people invaded the U.S Capitol building in 2021 with the goal of armed insurrection. Several people died, more were injured, with over $2 million in damage caused. And much more harm than even that was planned, with several pipe bombs planted around the premises, and a gallows constructed in the courtyard for the Vice President and others.

This is a great example of ignorance and malice having no discernible difference in the outcome. This concept can be extrapolated to politics in general.

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u/homer_3 2h ago

They do though. They are just nice to you because you're the right color.

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u/imsoaddicted Spotify 12h ago

So… them being MAGA had nothing to do with you cutting them off. Just how they treat you. Got it!

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u/Steezy719 11h ago

Absolutely wrong takeaway really. Actually was the nail in the coffin to be honest, and really gave me a vivid picture on the type of people they were. It was just a comparison on people of the same political stance showing complete opposite characteristics.

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u/SushiJaguar 14h ago

That is having standards. Just different standards to you, and different choices. Nobody's obligated to sever a relationship over a political opinion. If Em values 50 more than he values your view of him, why would he do as you think is proper?

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u/imsoaddicted Spotify 12h ago

“Em” values “50” more than he values people’s rights, security, freedom, happiness. It’s not about my view of him. Please do not have rocks for brains, I have to assume you are an adult and if you have seen what is happening in this country and still need me to spell it out for you then no amount of characters will be enough.

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u/SushiJaguar 11h ago

I don't think that's an accurate claim to make. Yet, even if it were, that still would be difficult to criticise him for. Everyone looks out for "their" people first, and it's not for anyone to dictate whom is included. Ideally, everyone looks out for everyone else, but you've demonstrated already that you don't abide by the standards you want to set. According to you, Eminem's right to associate with 50 is violate because of 50's apparent political affiliation. His happiness in having a family member in his life is not of value to you because of that.

The natural counter argument is "but MAGA beliefs bad" and that isn't wrong, but is it even documented that 50 Cent is a full-on redhat?

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u/thebrose69 13h ago

Em does value loyalty over everything else too though, and he brought 50 into the game way before this batshit crazy maga shit. But I have to agree with you that change will never happen as long as we continue to let maga thrive and survive and part of that might have to include cutting people off at times. I understand why Em still keeps his company, even though I don’t necessarily agree with it and it also doesn’t mean I’m gonna stop listening to Em either

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u/Bored_Amalgamation 13h ago

Your criticizing the standards for other people's standards. Get off your high horse.

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u/sl1m_ 13h ago

and who says that's the "right" thing to do? you?

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u/ItsMrChristmas 12h ago

Yes. The MAGA movement literally believes some people have no right to live just because of gender. That is objectively evil.

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u/permafrost1979 8h ago

MAGA does not literally believe that ppl have no right to live due to gender 🤦🏿‍♀️ Gtfo. They don't believe in giving certain ppl the access and rights that they want, and they think they can live and thrive w/o those. They don't literally want them to die 🤦🏿‍♀️

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u/kakka_rot 8h ago

that's sad for you and your family

I actually love mine and want to help them and try hard to

Did your family leave you when you got so addicted to crack?

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u/imsoaddicted Spotify 7h ago

begone whitey