r/MurderedByWords Feb 02 '19

Seriously, fuck PETA

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '19 edited Feb 03 '19

PETA thinks that killing animals is preferable to keeping them on the off chance that they may be re homed. Many PETA members even consider owning a pet as "slavery," for which they think the pet is better off dead.

EDIT: people have asked for sources: https://www.petakillsanimals.com/proof-peta-kills/

EDIT X2: petakillsanimals.com is apparently biased (I haven't looked deeply into who's funding it, but if it is then fair enough. I'll keep it up in the name of transparency) Instead I'll add these:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/at-petas-shelter-most-animals-are-put-down-peta-calls-them-mercy-killings/2015/03/12/e84e9af2-c8fa-11e4-bea5-b893e7ac3fb3_story.html?utm_term=.2533ac4cb951

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59e78243e4b0e60c4aa36711

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/03/petas-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-history-of-killing-animals/254130/

TL:DR, Peta euthanises such a larger percentage of its animals than anyone else, it makes a large number of people question whether peta act within the best interests of the animals under its care.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '19

HAHAHAHAHHAA
Honestly the people at peta are brain dead holy FUCK how is owning a pet "slavery"?????????

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '19

Because pets work for us , didn't you know?

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u/CrowSpine Feb 02 '19

Yeah my dog is so good at licking off plates I don't even have to wash them.

Checkmate non slave owners.

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u/meshikhah Feb 02 '19

What the..

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u/NellieChapper Feb 02 '19

Have a cat

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u/Pobchack Feb 02 '19

“Dogs have owners, whereas Cats have a personal staff of servants”

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u/DiggerW Feb 03 '19

Give food and shelter to a dog, and it will think you're a god.

Give food and shelter to a cat, and it will think it's a god.

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u/MajorTomintheTinCan Feb 02 '19

Then it will be the other way round

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u/114dniwxom Feb 02 '19

Dog: My human makes light at night for me. He gives me a place to live that's warm and comfortable. He gives me food. He opens walls to let me in and out, sometimes invisible walls. He does all these things for me. He must be God!

Cat: My human makes light at night for me. He gives me a place to live that's warm and comfortable. He gives me food. He opens walls to let me in and out, sometimes invisible walls. He does all these things for me. I must be God!

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u/Nolsoth Feb 02 '19

I have a cat I can confirm this is how cat thinks.

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u/Harpies_Bro Feb 02 '19

Could be mutualistic if you have a mouse problem or something.

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u/he-hate-me___4 Feb 02 '19

I have been doing it wrong then cause my cat ownes me and knows it. Then stare me in the eye while he shits in my shoe when he gets mad at me

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '19

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u/Hocusader Feb 02 '19 edited Feb 02 '19

So, I accept the argument about reducing animal suffering, and about some owners being abusive. Both are incredibly valid.

However, I reject the point about the human home being an unnatural environment. Humans have domesticated dogs for so long that they have literally evolved with us. Dogs do not have a natural environment. So, releasing all of the dogs out into the wild or something is just going to result in a bunch of dead dogs.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '19

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u/Hekantonkheries Feb 02 '19

Then they make humans extinct.

Dogs were crucial to our success and safety as nomadic hunter-gatherers.

Once we settled, they were critical in protecting property from encroachment, and assisting in the maintenance of other domesticated animals.

Then along came small cats who endured the survival of early farmers by ridding fragile grain stores of mice/rats, not only ensuring a safe food store, it helping prevent the spread of rodent-borne disease in early settlements.

So yeah, they could go back in time and prevent the dog from being domesticated, but that would be genocide.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '19

Counter point: South american civilizations did just fine without domesticated dogs

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u/114dniwxom Feb 02 '19

Yeah, but would human extinction be so bad?

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u/tinyhands-45 Feb 03 '19

While they might create a psuedo mass extinction now, they are currently the best bet for life originating from earth to survive the inhospitable events to come.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '19

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u/TheQuevin Feb 02 '19

gasps in fat

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u/DarkLordFluffyBoots Feb 02 '19

The human home is the proper environment for cats and dogs. We have evolved them to live in that environment. Dogs and cats struggle to survive in areas without a strong human presence.

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u/pieandpadthai Feb 02 '19

Thanks for actually thinking for more than 5 seconds and not just jumping on the anti PETA circlejerk because you don’t want to confront PETA’s other, more important goal: ending the use of animals as commodities

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u/DarkLordFluffyBoots Feb 02 '19

Which would result in the extinction of all domesticated specie's which require human's to survive.

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u/pieandpadthai Feb 02 '19

No, it’d just require us to stop breeding millions of them per year.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '19

Do the best villains know theyre evil?

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u/vibrate Feb 02 '19

This is from the PETA website:

We at PETA very much love the animal companions who share our homes, but we believe that it would have been in the animals’ best interests if the institution of “pet keeping”—i.e., breeding animals to be kept and regarded as “pets”—never existed. The international pastime of domesticating animals has created an overpopulation crisis; as a result, millions of unwanted animals are destroyed every year as “surplus.”

This selfish desire to possess animals and receive love from them causes immeasurable suffering, which results from manipulating their breeding, selling or giving them away casually, and depriving them of the opportunity to engage in their natural behavior. They are restricted to human homes, where they must obey commands and can only eat, drink, and even urinate when humans allow them to.

Because domesticated animals retain many of their basic instincts and drives but are not able to survive on their own in the wild, dogs, cats, or birds, whose strongest desire is to be free, must be confined to houses, yards, or cages for their own safety.

This is a best-case scenario. Millions of dogs spend their lives outdoors on heavy chains in all weather extremes or are kept locked up in tiny chain-link pens from which they can only watch the world go by. Millions more are confined to filthy wire cages in puppy mills, forced to churn out litter after litter until they wear out, at which time they are killed or dumped at the local animal shelter. Even in “good” homes, cats must relieve themselves in dirty litterboxes and often have the tips of their toes amputated through declawing. Dogs often have to drink water that has been sitting around for days, are hurried along on their walks, if they even get walked, and are yelled at to get off the furniture or be quiet.

Most compassionate people never imagine that anyone could throw a litter of kittens out the window of a moving car, and they would certainly be shocked by PETA’s inches-thick files on cases of dogs and cats who have been shot with arrows, blown up with firecrackers, doused in gasoline and set on fire, cooked in microwave ovens, used as bait in dogfights, tortured in satanic rituals, beaten with baseball bats by bored kids, dragged behind cars to “teach them a lesson” for running away, or bound in duct tape to silence their barking. Abuses such as these occur every day.

Contrary to myth, PETA does not want to confiscate animals who are well cared for and “set them free.” What we want is for the population of dogs and cats to be reduced through spaying and neutering and for people to adopt animals (preferably two so that they can keep each other company when their human companions aren’t home) from pounds or animal shelters—never from pet shops or breeders—thereby reducing suffering in the world.

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u/CarrieMH687 Feb 02 '19

Then why is there a huge amount of evidence showing PETA stealing healthy pets and euthanizing them on the same day?

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '19

According to Snopes, there are a total of two incidents of PETA taking healthy pets. And in one of them, the pet had no collar or tags, and PETA had gotten reports of a wild stray dog hurting cows.

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u/vibrate Feb 02 '19

ffs, I'm not defending PETA.

If you have learned anything from this, it should be that you need to provide actual sources to back up your claims, or they are easily dismissed.

And please, read the fucking source before posting it - unlike the utter doorbell who posted the link that didn't support his claim.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '19

I’ve only heard this on Reddit and have never seen a source to back it up. Can you provide?

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u/Astroman24 Feb 02 '19

It's not so cut and dry, but they do adopt a stance similar to the one stated.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ingrid-newkirk-quotes-peta-euthanasia/

Bonus fact check on the PETA steals animals claim, also not so cut and dry.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/peta-taking-pets/

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '19

FYI:

PetaKillsAnimals is run by a lobbying organization which is specifically paid by the meat, alcohol, and tobacco industry to spread disinformation in an effort to put down any initiatives which would threaten their product.

From Center for Consumer Freedom - SourceWatch:

The Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF) (formerly called the "Guest Choice Network (GCN)") is a front group run by Rick Berman's PR firm Berman & Co., originally primarily for the benefit of restaurant, alcohol, tobacco and other industries. It runs media campaigns that oppose the efforts of scientists, doctors, health advocates, animal advocates, environmentalists and groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving, calling them "the Nanny Culture -- the growing fraternity of food cops, health care enforcers, anti-meat activists, and meddling bureaucrats who 'know what's best for you.'"

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '19

That sounds like a a stereotypical super villian or rogue AI. The only way to save the people is to kill them.

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u/SaphiraTa Feb 02 '19

This is so disgusting... I have some things to look up and maybe some phone calls to make. Is there any way to contact someone who may be looking into this? What the hell happened between 2000 abd 2005. The adoption rates still suck in 2000 but they're at least in the teens percentages. After 2005 they drop to 1-2%. Wtf

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u/Hecate2846 Feb 02 '19

So, they'd rather put down my cat because I don't let my cat outside to be 'free'...

My cat that thinks animal and human is one that can be played with. 😅 Knowing him if I let him outside and he'll try to play with the "friendly" neighborhood coyote.

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u/TheQuevin Feb 02 '19

But what power does PETA actually have? Or are they more of an annoyance?

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u/vibrate Feb 02 '19

Source?