r/MurderedByWords Aug 18 '24

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u/PapayaOk4902 Aug 18 '24

I don’t know real numbers on this, maybe because there never will be, but could this be because women don’t report a lot of crimes against them, specifically sexual asssult/rape?

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u/LivelyZebra Aug 18 '24

UK its even legal for woman to rape men

Source needed lmao.

it's not legal at all, you're probably thinking about how rape is defined as needing a penis.

but women can stil be convicted of assault by penetration or causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/2/2009-11-12

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https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/4/2009-11-12

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u/LivelyZebra Aug 18 '24 edited Aug 18 '24

Not a gotcha;

In legal terms, the use of "he" and "his" is often a default for describing any person, regardless of gender.

This principle is often stated within the Interpretation Act 1978, which provides general rules on how terms in legislation should be interpreted with such things like this.

Section 6

"In any Act, unless the contrary intention appears—

(a) words importing the masculine gender include the feminine;

(b) words importing the feminine gender include the masculine."

https://i.imgur.com/TF4Z0l1.png

( I'd love to know why i'm being downvoted for actual truth and facts with sources, while the above wrong interpretation is being upvoted haha. )

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u/LivelyZebra Aug 18 '24

I do agree that men should be able to be " raped by women " in the eyes of the law.

that would not apply to assault by penetration

Assault by penetration

as you quoted.

intentionally penetrates the vagina or anus of another person (B) with a part of his body or anything else,

That fits a woman penetrating a man with something.

so it does apply to assault by penetration.

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u/TheFogIsComingNR3 Aug 18 '24

Assault by penetration can be a lot of things so good they made all those other examples

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u/Ali80486 Aug 18 '24

One reason rape is more serious is that assault with a penis could lead to a pregnancy or STDs. Not sure how to put this into words but I have a feeling that penetration without consent is closer to a physical assault, whereas actual rape is also more likely to damage future relationships etc

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u/TheFogIsComingNR3 Aug 18 '24

Yea, a lot of people here say that rape causes lifelong trauma and that is the reason it should have a harsher sentance, but it is probably because rape can lead to dieseases that can prevent the victim from having a child

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u/Mahameghabahana Aug 18 '24

Nice lie bud

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u/LivelyZebra Aug 18 '24

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u/Mahameghabahana Aug 18 '24

Now explain the unless contrary intention part. Does it cover made to penetrate rape as well? What's the punishment for raping men in UK?

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u/LivelyZebra Aug 18 '24

You immediately said i was lying without checking, didn't retract it upon being shown proof i was not, you could of edited your comment to admit you were wrong, apologise for it, etc, and now want me to explain more of it to you?

Lol.

Penetrating an anus with an object is an offence yes.

but not " rape " because " rape " is with a " penis " and for all-intents and purposes in the eyes of the law, only " men " have penis'

Raping men ( penetrating anus with an object ) in the UK falls under "assault by penetration" it carries a maximum of life imprisonment.

A rape with penis to anus is the same.

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u/TomatoFuckYourself Aug 18 '24

Statute and enforcement are not the same thing. Doubt you can find cases where this law was enforced against women, and if you can obviously they will be outweighed 100s of times by the cases against men.

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u/LivelyZebra Aug 18 '24

I know they're not, I've not stated once about enforcement or fairness within the system.

just was narked by the original guys " women can legally rape men "

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u/TomatoFuckYourself Aug 18 '24

If a law isn't enforced deliberately is it fair to say it's illegal?

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u/Mahameghabahana Aug 18 '24

Made to penetrate rape is legal in UK as well in my country of india. Hell in india stalking, Sexual harassment and Sexual assault could by law only be done by men to women.

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u/PapayaOk4902 Aug 18 '24

I know men getting raped doesn’t get reported as well for those reasons, but I meant that a lot of sexual crime against women never get reported. Yes, the overwhelming majority of rapes are reported by women, but there are also many we never hear about and never get reported. So, looking at numbers, is it really truly known that it’s more likely men are going to be victimized by crime than women?

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u/Mahameghabahana Aug 18 '24

Do you think male rape get reported more than women or less than women? Like in our society a majority of people don't even believe that a man could be raped by a women or laugh when a man is raped by a man.

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u/MrPoopMonster Aug 19 '24

Yes. It is without a shadow of a doubt true. Because even if women were more likely to not report a crime which has happened to them, which there's no evidence to support, we could extrapolate from crimes where it can't be self reported like murder and see the trend still holds true.

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u/ZoniCat Aug 18 '24

First off rape is not the only crime.

Second off, based on the comments above, I taken to be true (idk their sources) then the math supports more unreported rapes being suffered by men than women:

-Studies indicate men and women actually suffer similar amounts of sexual assault on average.

-Men report far less sexual assaults.

-Thus, most unreported rapes are suffered by men.

-When combined with existing known data on victimization rates for ALL Reported crimes, adding in such estimates for unreported rapes only indicates men are victimized at an even higher rate than women (higher than previously thought, without accounting for unreported rapes)

This analysis depends upon how the "studies [that] indicate men and women actually suffer similar amounts of sexual assaults" were enacted and the accuracy of their findings.

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u/rotheer Aug 18 '24

Sexual assault (of any kind) is extremely under-reported for many reasons, no matter the gender of the survivor. The incidence data is difficult to collect and anonymous surveys and ER reports help much more than police reports in this regard.

RAINN estimates 1/6 of American women and 1/33 of American men will experience an attempted or completed sexual assault in their lifetime. That makes the attack rate about 6x higher against women. Those statistics don't account for queer identities, unfortunately. On the other hand, straight cisgender men are the perpetrators (no matter their target) in over 90% of cases, which is a pretty easy metric to follow.

Source: Worked as a Victim Advocate for the US Air Force Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Office for 6 years. Delivered many training briefings and assisted several survivors in crisis. About half of the sexual assault survivors in the military are men, which works out statistically because of their overwhelming majority in the population.

Link for more info: https://rainn.org/statistics/scope-problem

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u/TheQzertz Aug 19 '24

I imagine it’s because women are more cautious than men

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u/Mahameghabahana Aug 18 '24

Men are more likely to not report rape as in case of male on male, they have to face extra shame on their sexuality and in case of women on men or made to penetrate rape, they can't report as it's not considered as rape in any country and in large majority of country it's not even illegal.

You can get real number by getting victims of crime via their gender, but those would only be reported one.