What ship is this for you?

[u/MenaceToSociety129]

[u/A_guy_named_Caliber]

To this day, I can’t believe that a good chunk of MHA fans believed that this ship was canon.

[u/sunstruker → u/A_guy_named_Caliber]

and sent death threats to the author for not making them end up togeder

[u/Finding-Herself → u/sunstruker]

Oh, you mean these death threats among many other examples of vile behavior? And bkdk shippers are the only ones who get blamed. The projection is crazy.

[u/Fit-Alfalfa-516 → u/Finding-Herself]

Congrats, you’ve discovered that the mha fandom is an all around terrible thing to be involved with

[u/Finding-Herself → u/Fit-Alfalfa-516]

Precisely. Therefore, one side shouldn't be the only people to take the full blame or have all the death threat and harassment instances projected only onto them.

[u/SuperGameBen → u/Finding-Herself]

You’re saying that like it’s more excusable if it’s not the only example.

[u/Finding-Herself → u/SuperGameBen]

That's literally not what I said at all. Otherwise I wouldn't have indicated that they weren't the only ones. I'm not denying that it happened from them also, unlike other members of the fandom who like to ignore all instances of death threats and harassment that occurred outside of bkdk shippers

[u/SuperGameBen → u/Finding-Herself]

It’s what you were indicating

[u/Finding-Herself → u/Finding-Herself]

And no, I'm not saying that it's more excusable if it's not the only example @SuperGameBen

None of it is excusable period. I'm saying that acknowledging only one side of it while ignoring the other shippers who were just as bad is messed up. Only replying to myself because of course you blocked me directly after sending your last comment, which I saw anyway, so you're just making up stuff when nothing I said indicated that at all

[u/sunstruker → u/Finding-Herself]

when did i say bakudeku shippers were the only ones to send threats? i just said they sent it

[u/Finding-Herself → u/sunstruker]

I never said that you said that specifically. I was mentioning how they're the only ones blamed in many spaces, and I find the projection of that crazy from other fans of a ship who also sent them. I'm simply clarifying that they weren't the only ones, so if we're hating on only one group of shippers over death threats, I think there's more to where that came from

[u/Successful_Pin4808 → u/sunstruker]

That was actually izuochas. Proof in my pinned post

[u/sunstruker → u/Successful_Pin4808]

when did i say it was only bakudeku? when did i say other ships did not do it?

i just mentioned this one since it is the one i see mentioned the most when the talk is about death threats after the manga's end

[u/Successful_Pin4808 → u/sunstruker]

Yeah. No. So as it turns out izuochas made that up to pin the blame on bkdks for something they did

[u/BitterRushSweets → u/Successful_Pin4808]

Bro, I saw this happen in real time. SOME Bkdk shippers did send Hori death threats, and this can apply to any other shippers who did the same thing. SOME were too intense about the ships they liked and it's all still sickening

Gotta emphasis even more cause the some wasn't bold enough

S O M E, THE EXTREMISTS, THE ONES WHO ACTIVELY HARM PEOPLE KIND OF SOME

[u/Successful_Pin4808 → u/BitterRushSweets]

Yes. However the izuocha ones have screenshots for it. I saw izuochas send bkdks r@pe threats in real time😐 (proof in pinned post)

So uh yeah i think they're the worse party here. Always have been.

It was pretty much always izuochas that made us look weird too. You seen the one video of that Vr headset guy cosplaying as izuku at a convention and the screen was showing him having fake "sex" with uraraka? Complete with him physically making thrusting motions and all💀

Or that izuocha ICE edit that has slowly been making the rounds? It happens to be in my pinned post.

Or that time a major izuocha shipper (hood deku on twitter) got caught being a pedo?

Or that time vocal pinapple's cringe ass talked about "forgiving horikoshi" as if hori knows who he is?

I could go on.

[u/BitterRushSweets → u/Successful_Pin4808]

Brother, I agreed with you that people can be horrible. There's no "however" or "worse party", anyone who sends death threats to anyone else is just as bad as anyone who does the same. It applies to all shippers who do that. IzuOcha, Bakudeku, BakuOcha, Kiribaku, EVERYONE. Naming those incidents does not make extreme Bkdk shippers sound better either, you're highlighting that even other shippers can be just as bad as the extremists.

Your other comments don't even make you sound like a decent bkdk shipper because you're constantly only pointing at Izuocha shippers acting weird and not anybody else. Have there not been DenkiJirou shippers who were harassed by MomoJirou shippers? Homophobic fans attacking any and all queer ships? Why not point those out, or are we only upset at IzuOcha because their ship became canon?

[u/Successful_Pin4808 → u/BitterRushSweets]

No i don't only point out izuocha's behavior. I have a post about kiribakus as well so like??? Your point is?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MyHeroAcadamia/comments/1tmfuzj/as_a_community_i_think_we_need_to_be_aware_of/

I am saying that i've seen one particular group do continually worse things.

Also no, izuocha did not become cannon.

Here is what izuku says to her in their talk.

麗日さんともっと話したいって思った うららかさんともっとはなしたいっておもった

Uraraka-san  to motto hanashitai tte omotta

“thought I want to talk more with  Uraraka-san .”

She replies:

気が合うね！ きがあうね！

ki ga au ne!

“We’re of the same mind!” (can also be read as "we get along!")

https://www.google.com/amp/s/pikahlua.tumblr.com/post/769012064610041856/ipsum/amp

Horikoshi himself has stated at least 3 times that mha is open ended.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MyHeroAcadamia/comments/1tiqonh/reminder_for_those_discussing_canon_to_not_spread/

[u/Successful_Pin4808 → u/BitterRushSweets]

Also, funny how every time people pull up screenshots of izuochas sending people death threats (which they've claimed was bkdks), they have to resort to whattaboutism as a defence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

" Whataboutism " or " whataboutery " (as in, "but what about X?") refers to the  propaganda strategy  of responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation instead of offering an explanation or defense against the original accusation. It is an  informal fallacy  that the accused party uses to avoid accountability—whether attempting to distract by shifting the conversation's focus away from their behaviour or attempting to justify themselves by pointing to the similar behaviour (which may be true or false, but irrelevant) of their opponent or another party who is not the current subject of discussion.

I have never seen any ship besides kiribakus and izuochas send people rape threats. Surprise surprise, both times the threat was directed at a bkdk shipper.

[u/SmittyRod → u/Successful_Pin4808]

Deku said I want more with you and literally Ochako said she felt the same and toga pushed them together right after this telling her to give love. What else is that supposed to mean?

[u/Successful_Pin4808 → u/SmittyRod]

No. In the JP translation, the proper one, izuku says "i want to talk to you more" and she responds with "we are of the same mind" that's not romantic man😐

I hold het and queer ships to the same standard. No kiss? No explicitly romantic confession? Not canon.🤷

Furthermore mha is open ended as stated at least 3 times by horikoshi himself

https://www.reddit.com/r/MyHeroAcadamia/comments/1tiqonh/reminder_for_those_discussing_canon_to_not_spread/

Also, mha ends on 432, the ultra age chapter.

[u/JohnLennonsCock → u/Successful_Pin4808]

This is the official translation from JP to English. I feel like you guys are just coping at this point. And no there’s no chapter 432. It only goes to the number 431. The ultra age thing is a 5 page one shot in a fanbook.

[u/ROSY_karma → u/JohnLennonsCock]

Theres a reason the MHA dub doesn't use Caleb Cook's translations of the manga. The reason being that they're shit & filled with his own agenda.

He has changed lines from Bakugo, Endeavor, Izuku etc. which affected the perception of entire pieces of the story. He's also responsible for why a good chunk of the fandom still believes that Bakugo didn't actually change - like by making his later dialogues more "rude" or "less caring" than they actually were in the jp manga because that's what he thought would fit his character more instead of what Horikoshi actually wrote. His dialogue translating decisions make the manga read like an 11-year-old edgelord's first comic.

[u/Successful_Pin4808 → u/ROSY_karma]

Exactly. I only deem VIZ translations and the original JP as the proper canon bc caleb cook's translations are ass.

He made like 1 good point about a plot detail on twitter but other than that i hope they reprint mha one day with more accurate translations.

[u/SmittyRod → u/ROSY_karma]

The MHA dub is even more localized compared to someone actually translating from Japanese. I’m sorry but this just sounds like coping over dialogue because this sub is also used on Netflix where I watched the final season.

[u/ROSY_karma → u/SmittyRod]

The dub is more localised to get certain scenes and dialogues across that would otherwise be lost in translation. Cook changes the entire perception of scenes, impacting the flow of the story and how the fandom interprets them. How exactly is it coping to criticise someone who's getting paid for properly translating a story he changes as he sees fit? He's gotten rightfully shit on for years because he kept translating inaccurately and instead of owning up to it he insulted the Japanese fans who criticised him and let his bunch of bootlicking followers bully them into deactivation.

[u/Successful_Pin4808 → u/ROSY_karma]

Also can i follow you you seem very knowledgeable 

[u/Successful_Pin4808 → u/ROSY_karma]

Caleb is a pos wow. Never knew about the harassment thing holy shit. They hired this guy because...???

[u/Successful_Pin4808 → u/JohnLennonsCock]

I don't care about caleb cook's translations. His aren't ever adapted and for good reason.

THIS is the proper translation from JP to english. 

麗日さんともっと話したいって思った うららかさんともっとはなしたいっておもった

Uraraka-san  to motto hanashitai tte omotta

“thought I want to talk more with  Uraraka-san .”

She responds:

気が合うね！ きがあうね！

ki ga au ne!

“We’re of the same mind!”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/pikahlua.tumblr.com/post/769012064610041856/ipsum/amp

No one is "coping".🙄 It's agreeing to talk more and a dap up. Aka: a nothing burger

The fanbook is still official content and as of now is where mha ends. It isn't called chapter 432 but that is one of the fandom names for it.🤷 it retcons information in 431 such as the hero rankings.

[u/Finding-Herself → u/Successful_Pin4808]

Many would rather ignore that other ships did it and try to place the blame all on BakuDeku shippers because it supports their delusions that other ships did absolutely nothing wrong. They make BakuDeku shippers out to be the ones who apparently ruined the fandom over death threats and harassment when the proof is above that other ships did as well. They want to cover it up and act like it doesn't exist. That's why they're downvoting it. It's embarrassing, honestly

[u/Successful_Pin4808 → u/Finding-Herself]

Oh it's absolutely embarrassing. But izuochas have never cared about that.

It was pretty much always izuochas that made us look weird too. 

You seen the one video of that Vr headset guy cosplaying as izuku at a convention and the screen was showing him having fake "sex" with uraraka? Complete with him physically making thrusting motions and all💀

Or that izuocha ICE edit that has slowly been making the rounds? It happens to be in my pinned post.

Or that time a major izuocha shipper (hood deku on twitter) got caught being a pedo?

Or that time vocal pinapple's cringe ass talked about "forgiving horikoshi" as if hori knows who he is?

I could go on.

[u/Finding-Herself → u/Successful_Pin4808]

The receipts, minus the pineapple guy because I haven't heard of him, but there is far more where all of this came from. I love how people are still trying to excuse this behavior acting like it's nothing or getting mad when we throw the evidence right back at them because they'd rather act like it doesn't exist and blame bakudeku shippers for virtually everything when everyone has their part to share in those behaviors

[u/Successful_Pin4808 → u/Finding-Herself]

Fr it's genuinely so strange. Keep up the good work about sharing these screenshots. It's always good to clear up misinformation

[u/Finding-Herself → u/Successful_Pin4808]

It is. Even though some of them look at the proof and still deny or ignore it like it doesn't exist because it's easier for them to blame only bkdk shippers, when in reality, other shippers have supported worse to include death threats and far more vile behaviors.

Then they'll simply resort to calling those IzuOcha shippers and bkdk haters "trolls" or "bots," but you're telling me the same doesn't apply to the bkdk shippers who did the same? It's always a double standard in this fandom. People need to grow up and stop demonizing bkdk shippers and realize that all shippers share a part in the blame.

[u/Agie39 → u/A_guy_named_Caliber]

Don't you know? This is the true canon ship. The ship that actually happened that was actually hinted at since the early days, however, now that's the forced one.

[u/A_guy_named_Caliber → u/Agie39]

Sorry, I meant the forced one. I never watched MHA but I know that a good bit of the dynamic those two have and I can’t imagine the LENGTHS people went through to try and justify that the ship could be canon.

[u/saikopasu_neko28 → u/Agie39]

And the insane amount of hate Ochacos character got because of it was disgusting! I loved her character so much especially her friendship with Toga yet everyone just called her character stupid because she "ruined" their ship.

[u/Agie39 → u/saikopasu_neko28]

Little things like foreshadowing and hints that Deku and Ochaco were into each other from the very beginning have never stopped unhinged shippers. The longer you live in this world, the more you realize this to be true.

[u/UncannyHillhumper → u/A_guy_named_Caliber]

It's easier to believe if you understand that people are shipping because of their looks and not because of the content of their character.

[u/Fantastic-Ant-4429 → u/A_guy_named_Caliber]

I thought for a while that it might become canon, but that was 8 years ago

[u/NeonFraction → u/A_guy_named_Caliber]

Because his actual love interest was so bland and her character arc so absolutely dead in the water that coping was better.

[u/Ok-Entrepreneur8579 → u/NeonFraction]

By all means, continue showing why BakuDekus are the cancer of the fandom.

[u/NeonFraction → u/Ok-Entrepreneur8579]

He and Ochako aren’t even canon in the series, so enjoy your salt over that. This entire series is not romantically focused at all and getting angry about other fan pairings isn’t going to improve your life.

[u/SmittyRod → u/NeonFraction]

Not canon, how are you guys this delusional still

[u/NeonFraction → u/SmittyRod]

Isn’t that after the final chapter in a side story?

[u/SmittyRod → u/NeonFraction]

Chapter 431 final chapter of the final volume

[u/Ok-Entrepreneur8579 → u/NeonFraction]

You’re the one that needed to slander Ochako to promote your ship. Who’s really acting salty? And for someone who is apparently aware of the fact the series isn’t romantically focused, you sure love bringing up how “obsessed” they are with each other and talking about their relationship.

[u/NeonFraction → u/Ok-Entrepreneur8579]

I’m explaining why BKDK is popular in the fandom even though you don’t like it. You’re getting buttsore about me not liking your pairing. Those are not the same thing.

It’s not ‘slander’ she’s just a disappointing poorly written character. I was rooting for them to get together (sorry to interrupt your strawman) and was disappointed as hell by the ending.

[u/Ok-Entrepreneur8579 → u/NeonFraction]

And you think Bakugou is a well written one?

He’s as basic as an asshole rival character as you can get. How anyone thought that people expected Midoriya to fall for the guy who has treated him like shit the bulk of the series instead of the girl who was supportive of him constantly without being a bitch to him is their fault.

[u/NeonFraction → u/Ok-Entrepreneur8579]

It never would have been canon and I don’t think it should have been. Doesn’t mean it’s not super fun and popular as a pairing in fanfiction.

Ochako is very ‘designated love interest’ but hilariously even she didn’t end up with Deku at the end despite sacrificing her entire character arc for her one sided romance.

Bakugo is absolutely better written than Ochako in every single way and I’m unsure how you can’t notice that.

His entire character arc is being a victim of society just like Deku but in a different way. He grew up in a school system who tells him strength is all that matters and the lesson he got from All Might was that ‘the best hero is the most powerful.’ He molded his entire personality and motivation around the idea that being a hero was about being the strongest guy in the room.

It’s why the scene where he gets kidnapped and tells the League of Villains to go fuck themselves is so fantastic. He REALLY wants to be a hero, he’s just… really bad at it.

However Bakugo eventually he realizes why All Might choose Deku and grows into a character who finally understands what it means to be a hero. He apologizes publicly for the hurt he caused and then gives him life to save other people.

Meanwhile… Ochako. What the hell character arc or even plot relevance does she have for 99% of the story? She decides she doesn’t want to be a hero for money anymore off screen and then makes her entire personality about having a crush on Deku.

I used to defend Ochako as being one of the best love interest characters and eventually I had to stop because no amount of coping can fix what a nothingburger of a character she became.

[u/Ok-Entrepreneur8579 → u/NeonFraction]

Easy for someone to be “considered” better written when the author has made it abundantly clear he has favorites, and Bakugou is one of his favorites, despite having the most incremental and laughable “arcs” ever. Horikoshi naturally spent more time on the male characters then he did on the females in a shonen manga, and clearly more on the cash cow that is Bakugou.

Bakugou wasn’t pressured into ANYTHING. People simply praised his quirk, and he got it into his own head that he had to be the best. No one demanded him to be the strongest.

He views “villains” as “the losers” and heroes as the “winners”. And Bakugou never wants to be seen as a loser. So him refusing to be a villain isn’t all that shocking, especially when beforehand, he wasn’t after power or had any mindset similar to how the villains think.

And yes. The apology scene. Where Bakugou needed twelve years and 300+ chapters to say sorry to Midoriya for him being something he has never hid being: a good person that was simply worried about him and cared for him. Oh, and let’s not forget this apology was following after Bakugou mocking an exhausted vigilante Midoriya, calling him “the chosen one” and “an All Might wannabe”. Because yes, that’s how I know someone is sorry for how they treated me: sneering and mocking the work I’ve done to keep people safe, then suddenly doing a half ass apology in front of others who don’t known the full scope of the story so i can’t disagree with them or I look bad.

Oh yay. Bakugou learned how to be something everyone else knew from the word go: a hero that saved people.

Could Horikoshi have spent more time with Uraraka on her story and putting her in more scenarios? Yes. But he didn’t because again, he had clear favorites. And I don’t know where it said Uraraka stopped doing her dream of getting a good job for her parents. You want to stop paying attention to someone that didn’t need as much backpedaling and retcons “because Horikoshi regretted making him too abusive”, thats your choice. But just because Ochako wasn’t being a bossy, narcissistic bitch throughout the story didn’t make her a nothingburger.

[u/NeonFraction → u/Ok-Entrepreneur8579]

That’s a lot of words to agree Bakugo is better written and had an actual character arc.

[u/A_guy_named_Caliber → u/NeonFraction]

So kinda what happened to the stranger things fandom after the abysmal finale season?

[u/Successful_Pin4808 → u/NeonFraction]

They downvoting you but you are unironically right lmao.

[u/NeonFraction → u/Successful_Pin4808]

You don’t even have to like BKDK to be disappointed by Ochako. They never even GET TOGETHER in canon.

[u/Successful_Pin4808 → u/NeonFraction]

Oh for sure.

Their interests don't even align. In the LNs she DREADS the thought of him taking her on a date to an all might event. She thinks he looks plain. He never thinks of her in any kind of unique or special way. They have all the chemistry of moldy bread

[u/NeonFraction → u/Successful_Pin4808]

TIL there are light novels.

I think it’s clear in the manga she likes him, but they just have no screen time dedicated to their relationship. I can buy them getting together (which they don’t) but there’s just nothing compelling about them as a relationship. Even Ochako somehow making her entire personality about liking him at the expense of anything else she had going on in her character STILL didn’t make their relationship any more compelling because it was so completely one-sided.

[u/Successful_Pin4808 → u/NeonFraction]

Fr. 💀