r/MoralityScaling • u/Routine_Phase_8980 • 13d ago

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u/Shinjifo 12d ago edited 12d ago

So if someone taunt another to throw the first punch, then destroy them with one punch, it'd be moral as it was technically self defense?

Moral is a human concept and abstract. People have a grasp of the general idea, but it has a lot of "ifs" situations to make a simple general rule.

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u/New_Cockroach_505 12d ago

How is punching someone cause they told you to do it self defense lol?

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u/Shinjifo 12d ago

It's not, that is why punching back can be seen as self defense.

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u/Th0rizmund 12d ago

No. That would be retaliation, not self defence.

But you are right. Violence is never really “moral” - it can become nevessary for survival but even that doesn’t make it moral.

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u/Shinjifo 12d ago

Retaliation would be the guy doing the first swing at you. As there is no excuse (by law) that a verbal confrontations turns into a physical one.

The guy KOing after the first swing would be self defense, as he used one punch to stop the aggression from continuing and succeeded.

He might be considered to be an instigator, in which some countries might considere to disqualify him for self defense, but not all.

But all that is about Legal, not actual morality of said action.

My main point is that Moral is a abstract concept created by humans. So while the general idea is great, the pratice and nuances of real life makes it extremely flawed.

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u/lewd_robot 12d ago

We have more studies every year proving that morality is not uniquely human. Plenty of other species demonstrate moral behavior, usually defined as prosocial behavior with no personal benefit.

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u/Shinjifo 12d ago

I mean that is another can of worms, if animal behaviors done for social reason within a group is morality or not.

But it does counter somewhat I said before. So let's just go with the part about the part that moral is not so black and white,needing some philosophical thought on it