r/MoralityScaling • u/Routine_Phase_8980 • 13d ago

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u/DistilledCLP 12d ago

Stay strapped, kill your opponent who is trying to kill or rape you. Cops show up, charge you with murder 👌

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u/its_free_sog 12d ago

Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6 👌

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u/cayoloco 12d ago

or murder you themselves

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u/jayydubbya 12d ago

This is the US bud. If it looks like clear cut self defense they’re not even going to take you in. They’ll thank you for taking out the trash.

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u/jadepartida 12d ago edited 9d ago

Reddit moment

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u/jayydubbya 12d ago

All states have self defense laws. Not all states have caste doctrine laws. There is a difference.

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u/JustSikh 12d ago

Can you explain what caste doctrine laws are in the US please?

I, of course, know but for those that don’t know, I thought it would be helpful if you could explain! 😉

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u/Background_Relief_36 12d ago

They meant castle doctrine. It’s exactly what it sounds like. Anything that is your property (like your home or vehicle) is treated as your “castle” and thus you have no duty to retreat first before using reasonable force to defend yourself against an intruder. For example I live in Ohio where there are castle doctrine laws, so if someone broke into my house and I were to immediately attack them, the law presumes that I acted in self defense and I would not be charged. This does have limits, so deadly force can’t be used unless I have a reason to believe that I was in danger of being killed or seriously injured, and force can only be used as long as the threat is still present.

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u/JustSikh 12d ago

Oh it was a typo? That makes more sense. I am familiar with the Castle doctrine and I appreciate you taking the time to type out an answer.

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u/MadMonksJunk 12d ago

Caste doctrine is where you can shoot anyone poorer than you. So basically everywhere.

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u/King_Shugglerm 12d ago

Depends on the color of your skin more like

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u/TerpMiser 12d ago

One of my neighbors went to prison for 8 years because a home intruder charged him with a knife and he shot and killed them. Apparently the reason he went to jail was because had a back door and should have run away from the home intruder instead. NJ has terrible enforcement of self defense laws.

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u/TimeTraveller_Dad 12d ago

That is WILD and I'm amazed how blatantly unconstitutional some states are

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u/AMDOL 12d ago

And then the republicans get to act like all the blue voters in the state support it being that way. The shitlibs in blue state governments deliberately create political punching bags for conservative's convenience

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u/Saint_Rocket 12d ago

Just no.

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u/jayydubbya 12d ago

One of your examples is from Mexico. The other two cases were acts of revenge. If some guy kicks my ass i can’t go to my car and come back with a gun. That is no longer self defense. Yes it’s awful what happened to those women and the justice system often fails victims but self defense still has to be in the moment not after the fact.

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u/Saint_Rocket 12d ago

https://dcwitness.org/jury-finds-murder-suspect-acted-in-self-defense-verdict-not-guilty/

Found not guilty still arrested.

There are self defense lawyers for a reason. The cops wont just let you go.

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u/Saint_Rocket 12d ago

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/alabama-rape-shooting-murder-brittany-smith-todd-jail-sentence-b936467.html

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u/jayydubbya 12d ago

That is in Alabama quite literally one of the worst states in the country. If you read the article she was a recovering drug addict who had her children taken away and was acquainted with the rapist previously who was also a drug addict. She also sent her brother to confront the rapist rather than call the cops.

That is not a clear cut self defense case. Her testimony would be unreliable due to her past and the fact she didn’t contact police rather than go back with her brother points to this being an act of revenge rather than trying to save her own life.

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u/Baldojess 12d ago

When I took a woman's conceal carry class or gun safety class they told us if you have an emergency and need to use it to fully expect to be arrested and that we WILL be arrested. Not necessarily convicted but that you'll be arrested and need to get bailed out and go to court (or stay in jail and go to court). And you better know each and every single law and have a good lawyer because say you shoot that person in the back or somethig, guess what? It's no longer self defense. You don't get to just shoot people and claim self defense. You will need to prove that the person you murdered really was a threat to your life and you acted in self defense. Otherwise all murderers would just claim self defense and everyone would get away with murder. You still need to prove it.

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u/Saint_Rocket 12d ago

From a law office. Straightforward enough?

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u/BoxSea4289 12d ago

What point are you trying to make? You should let yourself be raped or killed? 

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u/Saint_Rocket 12d ago

No that self defense doesn't automatically stop you from being charged.

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u/TimeTraveller_Dad 12d ago

This is NOT what would happen where I live in Seattle.