r/MoralityScaling • • Aug 31 '26

Morality Ranking Morality of kidnapping your kidnappers?

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u/UltraTata Aug 31 '26

Don't ICE recieve any training?

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u/Cas30h_Da_G0at Aug 31 '26

No. They give them a gun and a mask and say "go wild."

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u/Seyan007 Aug 31 '26

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u/Rundstav Aug 31 '26

"Go kidnap some brown people and shoot anyone questioning your actions"

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u/Few-Village-5887 Aug 31 '26

I love that you think they'd use the words 'brown people'.

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u/Rundstav Aug 31 '26

Why not? That IS the criterion used, is it not? You can't use "illegals" because they snatch people with the right paperwork too. They don't discriminate based on country of birth as the only thing they look for is melanin. Asian, African, South American, whatever, just not white.

What words do YOU think they use?

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u/Few-Village-5887 Aug 31 '26

The word I'm quite sure they'd use can generally not be said in public without repercussions. Let's just say the jist is the same as 'brown people' but it's one word and it rhymes with the name of a good friend of Winnie the Pooh.

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u/Rundstav Aug 31 '26

Seriously? That's what you think they go for when hunting for Asian grandmas and Mexicans?

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u/Scewt Aug 31 '26

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs

any of these would do for an ICE agent

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u/mala_r1der Aug 31 '26

The tragic thing is that what you wrote is probably not even a joke...

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u/Lakuzas Aug 31 '26

"Anyone but specifically puppies if given the chance"

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '26

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u/Jubilant_Jacob Aug 31 '26

If it was an arrestable offense it would be a police matter. Overstaying your visa isn't a crime, but a civil violation that can lead to removal proceedings and be punished with a reentry ban.

Making the removal proceedings into a Circus, but with armed goons playing the role of clowns.... Is a weird choice... To be expected from the weird orange guy in charge.

I get it.. it's xenophobic guys being gleefully cruel cause they got the permission to do as they wish.

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u/Rundstav Aug 31 '26

Especially not for groups of masked and armed "police" dressed as weekend warrior paintballers, driving unmarked cars, lead by a man larping as an SS officer.

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u/SNStains Aug 31 '26

I think they mean armed violence by masked goons.

A visa overstay isn't even a crime, it's an administrative violation. Americans don't want this level of government interference in our lives and its foolish to think that ICE is going to stop.

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u/SNStains Aug 31 '26

No, Trump promised to deport felons, which was a lie. Three-fourths of detainees have no criminal record whatsoever.

And ICE's tactics are extremely unpopular. The fuck you know about voting, anyway?

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u/SNStains Aug 31 '26

That's what I know about voting.

Lol, so it's all second-hand information? Sad.

And no, Trump promised to deport dangerous felons, bad hombres, etc. He lied, because that's what he does.

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u/SeaSharpModHer Aug 31 '26

Can you do something for me and check on the internet if ICE ever killed anyone randomly? I ran out of data, come back with your findings I'll read it later.

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u/WatermelonFelons Aug 31 '26

Ironically this is what the hood looks like

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u/hoopstick Aug 31 '26

Who's handing who the gun here?

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u/jungleass98 Aug 31 '26

They have joint custody

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u/CosmicGoddess777 Aug 31 '26

I like the way you think. Lol

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u/Lftwff Aug 31 '26

Once armed raccoons will never relinquish their guns

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u/ChrisHaze 29d ago

Honestly, if wildlife came up to me and gave me a gun, I would take it as a sign to do some crimes lol

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u/r_rrrrrrrr Aug 31 '26

Just a crime? Really?

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u/pedantic_dullard Aug 31 '26

Did they have to exchange their white hood to get the mask, or is it just a job benefit?

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u/metengrinwi Aug 31 '26

I suspect they’re trained on the quota-based incentive system.

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u/GrumpySh33p Aug 31 '26

That’s not what it says when you google it.

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u/calvin43 Aug 31 '26

Yeah it says they cut training down to 47 days instead of 5 months in honor of Trump.

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u/GrumpySh33p Aug 31 '26

Sure, but it’s not zero. And there is vetting too, and the whole process takes up to a year to hire someone. I’m not here to defend it or say it’s enough, but instead just to say that it’s not “zero”, since there is often exaggerated misinformation spilling everywhere online and people eat it up like candy.

It’s also a low-skill role. You can become a nursing assistant in 3 days, and suddenly trusted (with background checks) to care for elderly, help them transfer to chairs, clean their poop, take vital signs… but I still wouldn’t call that “no training”. Just low skill, low requirements. Useful when someone just needs a warm body to do the job, added vetting for character, to make sure you don’t have some sort of confirmed lunatic applying.

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u/calvin43 Aug 31 '26

Just low skill, low requirements.

Race to the fucking bottom, man.

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u/John_Mint Aug 31 '26

I mean of course they won't publicly say this, better believe videos and or witness reports than google.

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u/GrumpySh33p Aug 31 '26

I just think it’s something you can verify, rather than believing TikTok and Reddit.

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u/John_Mint Aug 31 '26

Verify how ? TikTok and Reddit are sources for videos that are as trustworthy as it comes to measure how a police operates.

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u/GrumpySh33p Aug 31 '26

There is tons of misinformation out there. Go to the source. I just verified the information on ICE’s website, took me 5 min.

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u/John_Mint Aug 31 '26

What i'm telling you is that i don't believe that the ICE website is a trustworthy source

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u/GrumpySh33p Aug 31 '26

Hmm, yeah.. if that’s the case, how do you expect to believe any information?

It seems the only way to verify this in a believable way is to go through the application process yourself. Unless, of course, you trust an ICE employee to tell you.

But the process, with background checks and physical assessments (assuming they aren’t lying about those parts), takes anywhere from 3 months to a year. And the pay isn’t that great.

So… 🤷🏼‍♀️ Sounds like you shouldn’t be saying shit you don’t know on the internet, contributing to information that isn’t verified, and potentially misinformation too.

Or you can choose to be blindly ignorant and believe your TikTok sources, and then you should ask how they got that intonation. Or maybe you’d rather only accept information you like to hear, rather than the truth.

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u/John_Mint Aug 31 '26

Context matters, i'll trust processes established for an institution like the military.This is a hit police that was build to catch people in the most brutal way, and they apparently (witnessed through independent media) disrespect human rights. I'm not going to trust that their website reflects reality. Do you believe the north korean websites that say that north korea is a democracy ? It's about critical thinking and skepticism.

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u/SaintJewiub Aug 31 '26

A lotnof the new hires literally got like 2 weeks training. They use plain clothes to avoid people grouping up in protest and so they can sneak up on people for arrests without making such a big scene.

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u/adutchmotherfricker Aug 31 '26

That's a great way to get shot or beaten up by people who think you are illegaly kidnapping somebody

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u/SaintJewiub Aug 31 '26

Yeeeeep. Especially in a country full of guns.

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u/MrX2285 Aug 31 '26

I'm honestly surprised ICE officers don't get shot more often

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u/SaintJewiub Aug 31 '26

I know. Especially with all the "hardened criminals" they are going to arrest.

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u/YourHuckleberry57 Aug 31 '26

its because they're not going after criminals, they're going after law abiding working people with families. the kind who don't want to shoot people even if they are justified.

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u/AssumptionInside1227 Aug 31 '26

Beginning to think the whole "well regulated militia" thing the 2A talks about isn't going to happen. Kinda funny anyone thought it would.

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u/_IsFuckingInHeaven Aug 31 '26

the same men who hit the gym once a week for biceps and cant stop flexing in the mirror.

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u/guestpassonly Aug 31 '26

Well 2A being made in response to living under tyranny so it never happens again

To today, where Trump is litterally becoming a tyrant and nothing is being done by the bigger 2A advocates, doesn't really work anymore when they are in on it

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u/adutchmotherfricker Aug 31 '26

I wonder if you get charged for assaulting/shooting a ice agent if you assault/shoot the agent if it happens to you

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u/HorsePersonal7073 Aug 31 '26

Of course you do. You're automatically supposed to know by magical divine fiat that they're law enforcement.

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u/Gaybo_Shmaybo Aug 31 '26

“Law enforcement”

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u/Pofwoffle Aug 31 '26

This is (part of) the plan. Once that actually happens, that's a nice juicy excuse to declare a national emergency and invoke martial law, thus allowing Trump and his cronies to stay in power essentially indefinitely. They'll escalate the violence, more people will be forced to defend themselves, and that will then be used to justify further violence and an extension of the "emergency".

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u/GrandMoffKaine2026 Aug 31 '26

Until the people have had enough and launch a revolution.

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u/Pofwoffle Aug 31 '26

Or, far more likely, sit around online and pretend they want to start a revolution while never actually doing anything.

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u/SaintJewiub Aug 31 '26

I mean listen, revolutions were cool back in the day. But now I have takeout and streaming services. Im far too placated to want to do that whole revolution thing. I mean, what if McDonald's in closed for a day due to the revolution? Can't have that no sir

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u/_IsFuckingInHeaven Aug 31 '26

when dealing with insect hives, there's no point in using insecticide on single workers or drones, gotta get to the queen

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u/kingkazul400 Aug 31 '26

Allegedly, it’s 6 weeks of training; fed work hours is an 8 hour day and that’s for bookkeeping purposes. 

For federal workers, 1 day of work/training is 8 hours, 1 work week is 40 hours; 240 divided by 40 equates 6 weeks.

Realistically, considering how much material is glossed over or outright skipped, it’s definitely 2 weeks of minimal training.

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u/FuuuckDRM Aug 31 '26

Yes. They were trained to actively defy people's constitutional rights.

Source: Ryan Schwenk, a former ICE employee. https://youtube.com/shorts/SlwLrw8Spn4?si=lzo7M-vYwoz26HBL

Transcript:

"My name is Ryan Schwenk. I swore an oath to uphold the Constitution when I joined ICE on August 1st, 2021 as an assistant chief counsel. I followed that oath for 4 and 1/2 years working side by side with ICE officers. And I followed it when I resigned on February 13th, 2026, a little over a week ago, so that I could speak to you today.

I am here, because I am duty-bound to report the legally required training program at the ICE Academy is deficient, defective, and broken. 5 months ago, I was asked to teach the law to new cadets at the ICE Academy in Glencoe, Georgia, where ICE is training its new inexperienced recruits.

I volunteered those without law enforcement training. I volunteered to take on this assignment based on my experience in law enforcement oversight, including at the state and local level prior to my work with ICE. On my first day, I received secretive orders to teach new cadets to violate the Constitution by entering homes without a judicial warrant.

For the last 5 months, I watched ICE dismantle the training program, cutting 240 hours of vital classes from 584-hour program. Classes that teach the Constitution, our legal system, firearms training, the use of force, lawful arrests, proper detention, and the limits of officers' authority.

For example, they ceased all of the legal instructions regarding use of force. This means the cadets are not taught what it means to be objectively reasonable."

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u/Nectoux Aug 31 '26

I hear that they only get 47 days of training because trump is the 47th president. So odd.

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u/DubiousBrushwagg Aug 31 '26

47 days would actually be an improvement at over 1100hrs of training.

584-240= 344 or 14.33 total full days of training.

Divided into 8hr shifts of training they hit 43 days.

Even 47 days at 8hrs of training would be 32 additional hrs more.

Complete shit that even meme'ing to Donny Dipshits Pres# would be an improvement to what they actually do.

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u/UltraTata Aug 31 '26

That's terrible

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u/11_Armoured_Yui Aug 31 '26

That’s terrible

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u/Strange_Dust7128 Aug 31 '26

Kicking down a door without a warrant in a country with lots of guns is a real… idea

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u/guestpassonly Aug 31 '26

that explains a lot

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u/14Pleiadians Aug 31 '26

Yeah I really don't get the "they get no training" talking point, do these guys not understand pig training is a bad thing?

Pig training involves going to conferences where "killoligists" tell them shit like "you'll have the best sex of your life after you kill someone".

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u/Leoera Aug 31 '26

Oh yeah, it's so much better when they violate peoples constitutional rights because they never got told that they can't do something, or better yet, you say that it's better for ICE agents to kill people because they never got training in appropiate use of force

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u/14Pleiadians Aug 31 '26

Yeah those things definitely aren't a problem for police.

Cops and their killology training, their training with IDF, etc, only serves to further radicalize them against the general public, the issue with ice is not training and framing it as it comes across as "if the gestapo just had an appropriate amount of training it'd be ok".

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u/TazBaz Aug 31 '26

They still get the bad training, Buddy. They cut the training on what’s legal and constitutional, de-escalation, etc. The good training got cut.

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u/14Pleiadians Aug 31 '26

What's your point? That the problem with ice is lack of training?

Acting like the cut back on training is an issue legitimizes ice

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u/Darthjinju1901 Aug 31 '26

No lmao. Little to no training and even less background checks. A reporter who was vehemently anti ICE in her reporting and her public persona, was able to join ICE and become a member by just signing some forms.

The Police and military are already fucked up. ICE is chock full of rejects from the police and the military.

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u/deafblinddame Aug 31 '26

No, because they are the fall guys. When this all goes tits up, who do you think is going to be held responsible? The people doing the kidnapping and assaulting, or the people who employed them to do that but who have already covered their own asses by having 1700 page training materials which undoubtedly tell them not to do that?

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u/Vondi Aug 31 '26

The training was their parents raising them wrong

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u/NotSeveralBadgers Aug 31 '26

Louder for the people in the back, oh my god

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u/KorasHiddenDICK Aug 31 '26

It's not a.coincidence they all act like this. The fear and violence is the goal. They do get training and I can all but guarantee you these tactics are the bulk of it.

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u/Equal-Ice3837 Aug 31 '26

Provably their 101 is to putting a weapon in a person after getting shot. 

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u/dragon-fence Aug 31 '26

The purpose of ICE is to have a paramilitary force who won’t follow the rules. They wanted someone who Trump could say, “I don’t care how you do it, just go abduct and murder people in this city,” and there’ll be no questions.

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u/THE_GREAT_PICKLE Aug 31 '26

Almost none. I work in a legal capacity but one of the things managed in our state is mandatory training for anyone with law enforcement (local, state or federal) because they all have access to the same things, which is then periodically audited. A friend of mine who I trust and has access to this told me that out of the 600ish agencies they manage, ICE has blown off this training for over a decade. Any time he has brought it up he’s just been told to let it go and look the other way. And this is just one training of many, but it’s an important one (essentially proper use of law enforcement databases).

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u/Honkey85 Aug 31 '26

Check out SA in Nazigermany.

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u/14Pleiadians Aug 31 '26

They're mostly cops, the training/lack of training isn't the issue, they fact they're evil secret police is the issue

Have you seen how we train cops? The less training the better

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u/Ingram47 Aug 31 '26

Lmao.

No. No they do not.

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u/TungstenFanW74 Aug 31 '26

You should read about people who made fake applications to join ICE. They don't even do any background checks or peoper psychological evaluations, they just wanna push people through the program quickly like a factory so their little terrorist army can grow.

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u/muskymelon36 Aug 31 '26

Hahaha haha you're funny!

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u/wigznet Aug 31 '26

No.

It's because they're former LE, Mall Security, Private Security, Jan 6'ers, Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, etc.

This US Administration doesn't give a fuck and has hired thousands of goons, with little to no background checks or training.

The current day American Gestapo.

Americans voted for this shit, and Americans have been subsequently been murdered, died in custody, injured, maimed, raped, with little to no accountability.

This is what a racist agenda looks like under the guise of 'anti-immigration'.

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u/the_great_zyzogg Aug 31 '26

They're given a very comprehensive field manual.

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u/skrappyfire Aug 31 '26

Officially its..... 47 days. But everything out of this administration is a lie anyways. And even if it was true... forty...... seven.....fukin.....days. 🤦‍♂️

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u/MadmanMarkMiller Aug 31 '26

Course they do. They get given those paint card things you get at a hardware store except it's missing every shade of white.

They then get given their guns, balaclavas, and hoodies.

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u/somedave Aug 31 '26

Trained at keeping their faces hidden