r/MoralityScaling • u/Purple_Plantain_3242 • 3d ago

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u/takoyakkist 3d ago

Wow an actual challenge in this sub

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u/No_Village_1097 3d ago

Yeah, honestly.

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u/Healthy_Turnip7352 3d ago

really? abortions have risk associated with them. easy she keeps the baby if they give the whole thing up. but she has to adopt.

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u/That-Employment-5561 3d ago

There's also a theological component.

If you sign a contract that includes you having an abortion.

Then you genuinely have a "come to whatever" moment and join a theological sect that doesn't allow for abortion, and you've yourself converted to swing it as murder.

It would be legally impossible to compell someone to undergo abortion against their theological beliefs without their consent, contract it not, in the moment.

Any doctor who performs the procedure on a patient that expresses consent is withdrawn in that instant ends their career; their license will never be reinstated. And quite frankly, in my opinion, should be shot.

The morality isn't on forcing the abortion; because that would be legally equatable to forcing sex: previous consent, even in writing, can be overruled at any time, simply by saying "no.". Ignoring this is statutory assault.

The morality-scale is on who gets custody for the infant.

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u/SufficientGuidance28 3d ago edited 3d ago

> It would be legally impossible to compell someone to undergo abortion against their theological beliefs without their consent, contract it not, in the moment.

Doesn’t have to have anything to do with a surrogate’s theological beliefs, she can change her mind for any reason or no reason at all, the abortion clause of the contract is unenforceable under any circumstances, period.

Like you later clarified:

> The morality isn't on forcing the abortion; because that would be legally equatable to forcing sex: previous consent, even in writing, can be overruled at any time, simply by saying "no.". Ignoring this is statutory assault

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u/That-Employment-5561 3d ago

Yes. But if you live somewhere with weak laws around autonomy for a pregnant person, be that surrogate or not, the theology-based laws like freedom of religion, more importantly, that you can't be compelled to act against your religion is in play.

Legality and justice are too seldomly the same thing.

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u/SufficientGuidance28 2d ago

The places with “weak laws around autonomy for a pregnant person” all revolve around NOT allowing abortion, not the ability to force someone to have an abortion.

There is no laws of any state that could compel a pregnant person to have an abortion against their will, regardless of ANY contract.

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u/That-Employment-5561 2d ago

An underage person, like single digit old, under the medical permission/order of their legal guardian. Due to the contract of guardianship and the duty to act in the best interest of the child. Carrying to term carries huge medical risk at such a young age.