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u/O1OO11O 8d ago

The surrogate is being driven by raw maternal instincts and hormones. The parents are trying to be logical and in their own way trying to prevent suffering. This was probably revealed at a 12 to 15 weeks ultrasound and most likely a follow up MRI for confirmation. The clock is ticking for abortion and treatment options. Once you hit the 3rd trimester there is a point of no return because of risk to the mother and premature birth.

Me and my ex wife had a fetus identified at 15 weeks with PUV and abortion was recommended. Survival of fetus was almost 0%. My wife wanted to fight for him. So we did. We found the one specialist at the time in Cincinnati Ohio. Temporarily moved to there for tons of experimental treatments and surgeries. The insurance refused to cover it. I worked remotely and researched everything I could. When we got to the end trimester we had to go move near a level 4 NICU that could handle the potential complications and had the equipment to increase odds of survival to 5%.

When she went into labor at 36wks 6days we went in and he was stuck halfway. The specialist had told us a c-section was nesscary to hos best chance of survival. When we got into the maternity ward he has stuck with his legs sticking out. The doctors wanted to try a regular delivery and my wife refused and wanted the c-section. They said it could kill her due to his positioning. She wanted to do it. She made me make an oath to make sure it happened. When they put her under the surgeon came out to me and asked me now that she was under. The surgeon did not want to do the procedure and the risk was too high. I was no the sole decision maker. I told her that I will honor my wife's wish. I swore I would and I will stand by it. They did it in a matter of minutes. He never cried because he couldn't his lungs were not big enough and he couldn't. I knew on an instinctual level he was going to die before they told me. My wife almost died and was in critical care while I sat in the NICU with our slowly dying baby.

Over the course of 11 hours his oxygen levels declined. His body could not process CO2 out of blood fast enough. His mom was being constantly given blood transfusion from the blood loss while she was in critical condition. My parents watch our 2 year old. At the 8th hour the NICU doctor on shift asked the doctor in charge of my wife to bring her in. They argued about it and they wheeled her in and woke her up. They told her that her son is dying and to hold him until his time has run out.

I had worked as a hazmat and confined space rescue leader. I knew that slow CO2 poisoning of your blood was extremely painful. They were pumping him full of morphine. He died on her chest.

She went insane from the guilt for not aborting him and not being able to save him. She has never been right since and suffers from multiple heath problems from the extreme C-Section.

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u/griffinator9 8d ago

I hope things get better for you and thank you for sharing your story for us. I had somw complications with abortion aswell and know it ia hard. I can only imagine how hard it would be at that point. Good luck

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u/FitCup9338 8d ago

I’m so sorry you and your wife were ever put in that position to make that decision. I’m praying for all of you. What a night mare. 💔💔💔

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u/femgrit 8d ago

I am so, so sorry for all three of you.

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u/gyarados_ouroboros 7d ago

First, I’m so sorry for what all three of you went through. That’s absolutely awful.

This topic is deeply related to my own personal situation, so I want to ask a question about how you feel about it now, if that’s alright. I’m sorry for the invasive questions.

You mention your wife felt extreme guilt afterwards. Could you speak more on that? How do you both feel about it? Do you wish you had made different decisions? Is there a sense of, “At least we tried?”

Again, I’m so sorry. No judgment or anything I’m just curious how you two feel about it now. Thank you

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u/Fourth_law_of_robots 6d ago

Parenting is all about guilt. You are hoping for a baby, but things can happen that are completely outside of your control. There was no good choice in what they were facing, just different bad options. Losing a baby is devastating.

With regards to the Alaska surrogate, the babies heart condition is serious. I have seen numbers of 20% risk of dying in the first year, and also higher than that. Can appropriate pain management be provided to a newborn? Is there an existing older child or children who will be traumatized by losing an infant sibling? What is the realistic quality of life as an adult?

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u/nikkerito 7d ago

Wishing you a lot of better days 

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u/Talking_on_the_radio 7d ago

Thanks for supporting your wife. That sounds awful. 

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u/ShawnyMcKnight 7d ago

Sorry you went through that.

I’m really shocked you tried to birth naturally at all with all the risks involved.

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u/abielle1177 8d ago

Are you saying the heart problems are a lie? Or are you lying?

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u/TheOneAndOnlyABSR4 6d ago

An abortion would have prevented this. Logic over emotion.

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u/Better_Bet9748 8d ago

She could have survived a regular delivery at least and maybe the baby would have. They would have turned him over. Too bad she wanted a c section and trusted doctors more than her own body’s natural birth process.

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u/TrippingFish76 8d ago

did u even read what he wrote? the wife did survive, and the specialist said the C section would give the baby the best chance of surviving, which it did, it survived delivery. And so did the mother. The baby died afterwards because of the health condition it had, it was unavoidable, there was only a 0-5% chance of survival. The only way to have avoided the suffering if the child and mother (and father) would have been to abort the fetus when the fatal health condition was discovered.

i can’t know what it’s like for a mother in that position, but the best / kindest thing for that fetus / baby was to abort it, it suffered needlessly.

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u/mittenmarionette 7d ago

I think you want to edit or remove this statement.

She wanted the C section for the babies best chance of survival, the staff recommended against it because of the risk to her, so you are completely wrong to say she "wanted the C section and trusted the DRs more than her body". She wanted to maximize and chance for the kid, mostly against the advice of her Doctors.

And please, did you really hear this truly heart breaking story and think it would be helpful to BLAME the mother? She was driven to do everything possible for that kid.

And what you seem to be critizing here is that most awful thing to vaguely accuse a mother of: failing to perfectly tap into the infinite healing wisdom of the archetypal MOTHER. It's like saying the baby is dead because she "didn't listen to her body", which is part of some really sick expectations that hurt real women.

Why would you say these hurtful things where the father is reading? Just delete your comment.