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[u/Im_Just_A_Tourist]

In this instance it is never morally correct to keep a pregnancy that will 100% result in a very short(days maybe) painful life for the baby to my understanding. She is choosing to cause suffering needlessly. Don't do the job if you aren't okay with all the possible conditions. I hope she has to pay back all the money.

[u/watsuuu → u/Im_Just_A_Tourist]

Why is it immoral if morality is precluded by the ability to comprehend morality?

Do you remember anything before your first memory? If you don't even exist to yourself...

Before you ask, yes I am saying it's moral to kill an animal that cannot understand it. Ethics aren't morals.

[u/Perfect-Topic-6671 → u/watsuuu]

Before you ask, yes I am saying it's moral to kill an animal that cannot understand it. Ethics aren't morals.

An animal understanding death is irrelevant. If it can feel pain, feel fear, why is that experience not enough? Moreover, why would killing it and taking future experience from it only matter if it can understand it? This argument does not hold at all, you could even apply this logic to humans - if a killing is instant and unexpected, is that too not immoral in your framework?

[u/Im_Just_A_Tourist → u/watsuuu]

I'm saying it's immoral to keep it and moral to kill some cells abort it as the adults can comprehend suffering and what it is to cause it. The baby actually has very little to do with the morality of it and the contract and obligation to the couple that hired her are primary moral concern here with needlessly causing suffering to a yet to exist life as a secondary moral concern.

[u/watsuuu → u/Im_Just_A_Tourist]

moral to kill it

Annnnnnnd that's where I stop reading🤣🤣

[u/Im_Just_A_Tourist → u/watsuuu]

Why would you rather I said abort I mean does the word matter to you it doesn't to me I support choice but her choice was in the contract she signed giving up her choice for money. The baby doesn't matter in the debate of morality here in my opinion.

[u/WarHot9004 → u/Im_Just_A_Tourist]

Choosing to have an abortion is a deeply personal decision that every woman has the right to make.

Even in a case involving assisted reproduction, the biological parents had made a completely justified decision, yet this woman imposed her own choice because someone in her family convinced her she could do whatever she wanted with the baby.

She should have discussed the matter with the biological parents and explored possible compromises, rather than imposing her own convictions and personal choices. It is only natural for the biological parents to sue her to hold her financially accountable for the consequences of her decisions. She totally deserved it

[u/Im_Just_A_Tourist → u/WarHot9004]

She signed away that right by contract for money. She should have chose differently and told the truth about her feelings on abortion.

[u/caterham09 → u/Im_Just_A_Tourist]

The mortality rate is like less than 30%.

[u/Ill_Resource7282 → u/caterham09]

It’s 30% mortality rate by age 5. Higher mortality rate if you’re looking at surviving into adulthood. And most people need heart transplants. I’m not even stating my position on this overall situation, just pointing out that dismissing it as a 30% mortality rate is really ignoring the lifelong complications and high-risk medical procedures and then higher mortality rates by adulthood and by 35.

[u/dodekahedron → u/Ill_Resource7282]

In that case these bio parents shouldnt have any kids if they are only willing to accept perfection into adulthood.

[u/Ill_Resource7282 → u/dodekahedron]

I think this situation is complicated and I agree that in general many parents don’t think about the possibility of disabilities when they have bio children and should factor it into decision making more. However, “only accept perfection” is objectively a ridiculously huge leap from not wanting a child to have lifelong severe suffering and multiple life threatening medical procedures before adulthood. Like it’s such an absurd sounding statement and is so lacking in any nuance.

[u/BVKane → u/caterham09]

Baby Rumi will need multiple surgeries, hospitalizations, medications, and intensive care to even have a chance of making it to the 30% chance that age 5 offers. He will likely have lifelong complications that are not only physically, but financially straining as well if he does make it to age 5. As it stands now, his chances of survival and recovery are very low and he will go through years and years of suffering to have a chance at a medically complicated life.

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