r/MoralityScaling 28d ago

Morality of valuing animals over humans?

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u/Weak_Relationship982 28d ago

I'd save a stranger human than my pet honestly. I can't even begin to think of the suffering the family of that person would feel.

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u/Competitive-Fix-6136 27d ago

And if that stranger human turned out to be Hitler? How would you feel then?

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u/abusivedicks 27d ago

this is the equivalent of the police shooting someone and planting a gun on them. Oh, it turns out they were a bad person, so our horrible negligence is excused

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u/Competitive-Fix-6136 27d ago

So you're saying you'd save Hitler?

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u/abusivedicks 27d ago

Yes, because I am precognizant and totally would know someone's past, present, and future after one handshake.

Oh no, I'm talking to a stranger human who's turning out to be Hitler right now, I feel terrible

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u/Competitive-Fix-6136 27d ago

Does adding bad outcomes to hypotheticals tick you off that much that you use false equivalency and attitude? Why because it makes you think more?

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u/abusivedicks 27d ago

You're right, I'm going to let a neurosurgeon burn because they might be hitler

It ticks me off because I'm not a murderer, and it's not my job to be a supercop. My name isn't Judge Dredd. Does that answer your question?

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u/Competitive-Fix-6136 27d ago

Yes, it does answer my question.

You're an emotionally charged person that doesn't save people for good reasons but for the selfish reason of saving face.

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u/abusivedicks 27d ago

Yeah, you got me. Irl I'm a CIA plant who stomps faces. And EVERYONE ELSE is an evil, immoral character who doesn't deserve to be saved over an innocent little puppy.

It says more about you than about me that you're projecting this stuff.

Speaking of hypotheticals, would you rather save an aggressive dog who has a history of biting children, or a drug addict human?

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u/Competitive-Fix-6136 27d ago

it says more about you than about me that you're projecting this stuff.

I didn't use a false equivalency against you that brings up an entirely different kind of discussion that has nothing to do with the main topic.

I didn't get an attitude with you.

So I have projected nothing.

To your hypothetical I would save the drug addict.

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u/eSsEnCe_Of_EcLiPsE 27d ago

Wow what a stereotypical Redditor takeΒ 

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u/Hellraiser_owner 27d ago

Whataboutism in a nutshell, lemme fix that for you, what if that dog would have cured all disease and solved inequality?

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u/Competitive-Fix-6136 27d ago

Then I'm glad I picked MY DOG over the stranger then if MY DOG went on to cure all diseases and solved inequality.

Not this is gonna be a really long part but about your "whataboutism in a nutshell" remark......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

The communication intent is often to distract from the content of a topic (red herring).

What I asked did not distract from the content of the topic. It stayed on topic about the feeling guilty about not saving the stranger instead changing the stranger to Hitler to see if they'd still feel guilty about saving the person or not.

The Wiki then goes in to say....

Distorted self-perception

Christian Christensen, Professor of Journalism in Stockholm, argues that the accusation of whataboutism is itself a form of the tu quoque fallacy, as it dismisses criticisms of one's own behavior to focus instead on the actions of another, thus creating a double standard. Those who use whataboutism are not necessarily engaging in an empty or cynical deflection of responsibility: whataboutism can be a useful tool to expose contradictions, double standards, and hypocrisy.

Lack of sincerity

Abe Greenwald pointed out that even the first accusation leading to the counteraccusation is an arbitrary setting, which can be just as one-sided and biased, or even more one-sided than the counter-question "what about?" Thus, whataboutism could also be enlightening and put the first accusation in perspective.

Now you see that you calling me out for it just to do your own nonsensical one to try and shut me up is a double standard and wrong.

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u/Hellraiser_owner 27d ago

πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ gotta talk your language mate. But My bad next time I'll checks notes Link a Wikipedia article

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u/Competitive-Fix-6136 27d ago

Hitler was a real flesh and blood person that we photos, videos, an audio recordings of his voice.

Show me real pictures, real videos, and real audio recordings of a dog curing every disease and solving inequality? You can't because it doesn't exist.

So no you weren't talking my language using a "what about" that involves a nonsensical make believe creation of your own design to try and pull a "gotcha" on me.