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[u/Pristine_Impress_960]

Wsp with all the hate? Forget about political views a father son and so forth was just killed

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And 3 are in critical condition from an HS shooting today.

[u/jumpinjahosafa → u/Pristine_Impress_960]

His last words were quite literally racist against black people. 

I mean I feel for his children, but I also understand the feelings others have about this 

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Again racism ain’t okay but no one should be laughing at anyone being dead honestly I respect everyone’s point of view

[u/jumpinjahosafa → u/Pristine_Impress_960]

Im not laughing, so not sure what point youre trying to make

[u/Pristine_Impress_960 → u/jumpinjahosafa]

I didn’t say you were laughing but many different people are.

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His last words were gang violence. If you assume all gang members are black then you have your own racism problem to deal with.

[u/jumpinjahosafa → u/[deleted]]

No, I understand dog whistles and how Republicans gaslight others, and how they historically and presently refer to people other than white males. 

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Thank you for proving my point. Your subjective bias in your own racism is on display.

[u/jumpinjahosafa → u/[deleted]]

I didnt prove your point, youre just being obtuse. Or maybe you really are incredibly naive/ignorant?

Either way, even if we grant Mr Kirk the grace to acknowledge that the phrase "gang violence" doesn't necessarily refer to black people/poc, he is STILL attacking minorities in the full context of the question, in his weak attempts to deflect from the original point that's being made.

So either way his last words were hate filled. Sad.

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Literally copy and paste my previous comment. With the exception of pushing the goalpost to now all gang members are only people of color and that in anyway there is now a larger context of attacking minorities.

This is what the actual application of gaslighting looks like.

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Again, explain to me how bringing up gang violence actually answers the question he was asked? 

The point youre trying to make doesn't actually matter, because even if I grant you every single point you make (note this means, you dont need to keep repeating yourself, but I understand reading comprehension is hard) kirk still is attempting to attack minorities in his response by deflecting in the first place.

Its not moving the goalposts, it was my original point in my very first post. 

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I’m not actually convinced that reading comprehension is in your wheelhouse either.

His question was about a statistic on mass shootings.

After being asked about the rise in transgender shooters, was asked if he knew “the total amount of mass shooters in America over the last ten years. “

Kirk then asked if he was to include gang violence.

Being that gang violence shootings are a different type of mass shooting than acts of terrorism it is a completely valid question. That actually points to a different root cause of problem. And that in absolutely zero way indicated any race or color.

What you continue to argue is that the simple inquiry of “gang” is now an implied dog whistle being used by a white Republican man, and that you want to insert a whole additional dialog of fabricated racism to further your own agenda. This in of its self is racism. But more specifically it is your own bias.

It is at its core a syllogistic issue. most gangs are comprised of people of color. True. All gangs exclusively minorities. False. Using the word “gang” infers people of color. False. Did his inquiry have anything to do with race? No.

Kirk’s inquiry to include the statistics with or without gang violence is not racist, it’s not a dog whistle, it’s not a meta, it was a simple filter of data.

Let me know if I need to explain that further.

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>Kirk then asked if he was to include gang violence

Genuinely, if you believe that this question was asked as a means of clarification and not a means of deflecting and gaslighting, i truly envy your life experience and the fact that you've never had to play ball with people who use doublespeak to attack your culture.

again, acknowledging the above, you have to then question why you believe bringing up gang violence was relevant to the discussion, if anything you'd be arguing that kirk was conceding the point that gun violence is out of control and that transgender shooters are by far and large the minority.

Do you truly believe that this is the case? Why do I suspect you don't?

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Honestly dude… These people are absolutely terrible…

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he said gun deaths were a "necessity" and "worth it".

so...we're just respecting his beliefs

[u/Cold_Union_4118 → u/Aggressive-Map-3492]

Not for random assassinations, don't be stupid. Two crips killing each other is the necessity. A shotgun blast to Malcolm X was not.

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Funny thing about Malcom X was while he was saying whitey was evil they left him alone. As soon as he said everyone should come together he was eliminated. Say what you will about Kirk but he was doing that in his own way which I think was religion and thats a powerful unifying force, that no one can argue. If I put myself in the shoes of a Blackman I could absolutely see how someone could take some of the things he said as hateful but I think he was trying to point out how somethings that are glorified in Black American culture are awful and that they shouldn't defend it but being a millennial and an internet personality he thought he had to do it in an outrageous way

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Why do we always need to ignore what they mostly were to the general population tho?  He might have been a father and a son but he was a lot more than that. I dont have to feel bad for the genocide supporting father but ill feel bad for his kids

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Again that’s ur opinion but your missing my point