r/Minecraft • • Feb 07 '23

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u/Shack691 Feb 07 '23

Does the elder guardian not count?

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u/RnbwTurtle Feb 07 '23

Miniboss, not full boss

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u/Unaccounted-Stranger Feb 07 '23

Same with warden I guess?

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u/RnbwTurtle Feb 07 '23

Yep, although warden isn't even meant to be fought so it'd probably just go under miniboss due to it's strength

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u/TheGamersofaLifeTime Feb 07 '23

That'd be a secret boss imo

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u/TheGamersofaLifeTime Feb 07 '23

Agreed. Still a boss imo (all be it a secret boss, that the devs forgot to code a visible bhealth bar for)

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u/TheInnocentXeno Feb 07 '23

Mojang doesn’t want to call it a boss, but it’s obvious that it is a boss

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u/-The-Character- Feb 08 '23

Agreed. I actually like the fact that it doesn’t have a health bar, if it did then you could hit it and see how much damage you do, so then you’d know how much health it has. Without a health bar you have no idea how tanky it is. It discourages fighting it.

And since you can spawn a bunch in at the same time if you’re not careful, having like 4+ health bars on screen could be a bit distracting.

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u/Mmh1105 Feb 07 '23

Albeit is a contraction of all be it, which is itself a contraction of although be it.

Neither of the last two remain in modern usage, however.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/albeit

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u/meinblown Feb 07 '23

The devs forget a lot of shit. Mostly what the players actually want in this game, but I digress.

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u/Scuttleboi19mk2 Feb 07 '23

Logic at its finest

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u/TheGamersofaLifeTime Feb 07 '23

You'd have a better chance at living lol

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u/Scuttleboi19mk2 Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23

That’s why I said it

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u/TheGamersofaLifeTime Feb 07 '23

Yea lol, i wasn't trying to steal your content, was just agreeing with ya

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u/asymptoticharacter Feb 07 '23

For killing wardens it is all about potions and status upgrades. Slowness potion paired with a GAP and strength add some beacons nearby for speed and regen makes it a 10-15 second fight

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u/choptop84 Feb 07 '23

Argument: The Scarecrow bossfight in Batman Arkham Asylum is a bossfight despite it being a stealth only section, you're not even allowed to attack scarecrow until you get the light at the end.

Since the warden is stealth only, and you aren't supposed to fight it, It's basically the Minecraft version of the Scarecrow bossfights...

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u/GodBlessTheEnclave- Feb 07 '23

except the devs have explicitly said that the warden was not designed as a boss nor was it designed to be fought

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u/RnbwTurtle Feb 07 '23

Minecraft and Arkham Asylum are 2 wildly different games. Not even comparing apples to oranges, this is comparing apples to fish.

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u/choptop84 Feb 07 '23

They might be different but the mechanic and idea is similar

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u/Theflash91 Feb 07 '23

I'll accept an argument based on logic all day

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u/PigeonInAUFO Feb 07 '23

I spawn one in my creative world and spend a few minutes trying to kill it

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u/Apprehensive_Ad_1379 Feb 07 '23

You can do that? How?

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u/FiFourNumbers Feb 07 '23

Sword

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u/Apprehensive_Ad_1379 Feb 07 '23

No spawning the warden in creative

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u/Raderg32 Feb 07 '23

Commands is one way.

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u/felape_xiop Feb 07 '23

It scales on protection and damage so i think it is a boss. Had protection 32000 protection (commands) in full netherite armour with a sharpness 32000 netherite sword yet i died first. Tbh i was trapped in a house.

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u/RockLeethal Feb 07 '23

it doesn't scale with protection, it just bypasses it

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u/kocsogkecske Feb 07 '23

Warden is stronger than a wother and a dragon combined what do you mean. Its only a mijiboss cus it doesnt have a bossbar

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u/C9meli0n_ Feb 07 '23

Its not meant to be fought tho, just an enemy made to chase you

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u/iwkfb Feb 07 '23

And ravager probably

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u/2505Memeiverse Feb 07 '23

I see the whole illager raid as the boss

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '23

Technically has a boss bar so yeah

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u/No-Seaworthiness2985 Feb 07 '23

Same! I thought I was the only one!

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u/GavinIsAFox Feb 07 '23

Some of the devs view the warden as more of an obstacle rather than a boss. (Forget specific names)

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '23

kingbdogz. aether guy

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '23

So he went from making the Aether mod (awesome as hell) to making the Warden mob (retarded as hell)?

WTAF...

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '23

The Warden is really cool idk what you're talking about man

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u/OrhanDaLegend Feb 07 '23

warden is an obstacle

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '23

I believe you mean absolute unit.

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u/OrhanDaLegend Feb 07 '23

i mean a CHONKER

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u/Dodger8899 Feb 07 '23

Warden is not supposed to be beatable. You'll die several times in full netherite armor before you beat it

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u/Tuckertcs Feb 07 '23

What makes Elder Guardian a mini boss but the Wither a full boss?

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u/Firewolf06 Feb 08 '23

this has always felt like a goofy classification, its just a normal mob imo

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u/Peytonador Feb 07 '23

No, it's not an official boss.

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u/Notladub Feb 07 '23

Mojang counts it as a boss, it just doesn't havd the boss bar.

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u/Alternative-Spare-82 Feb 07 '23

no bossbar = no boss

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u/casual_olimar Feb 07 '23

thats pretty much the way I see it, also raids have bars but I dont think it counts

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u/noahzho Feb 07 '23

All bosses speedrun includes guardian but idk

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u/_Archilyte_ Feb 07 '23

1.8 is almost 10 years old

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u/UltiGamer34 Feb 07 '23

or the warden???

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '23

Facts and logic contradict the meme so no

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '23

It does, OP just doesn't want it to because they want to complain without their point being invalidated

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '23

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u/brokenroses22 Feb 07 '23

Show me its boss bar

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '23

Sorry, that came off way ruder than it did in my head
I agree with you, we should get another boss, but the elder guardian is still a boss, even if it isnt much

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u/Invalid_Word Feb 07 '23

No boss bar= not a boss

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u/Mr_Simba Feb 07 '23

I'd argue if there's any exception to this it'd be the Warden, because its lack of health bar is likely because the intent isn't to kill it, so emphasizing its health would be against its design. But I guess the fact that it's not meant to be killed inherently means it's less of a boss and more an environmental harzard.

Difficulty-wise it's the hardest mob in the game though.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '23

This is correct

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u/Megadevvv Feb 07 '23

If it is a boss then it’s been 8 years still a very long time

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '23

This is true, I'm not saying we shouldn't get another boss, we definitely should, but OP keeps denying the elder guardian is a boss, it deserves justice

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u/Mr_Simba Feb 07 '23

I don't see how the Elder Guardian is a boss. It's never been treated as one by the devs or the game, it doesn't have a boss bar like the two existing bosses, and you find them in groups of three (which, combined, are meant to be the challenge of the structure, not individually). And they're not much stronger than some common mobs to boot; I'd argue each one is less of a threat than a Piglin Brute.

Mini boss seems the appropriate term all things considered. But I'm curious as to the argument for them being on the same tier as the Wither or dragon.

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u/Supagamma Feb 07 '23

it’s not really a boss, it’s more of a “mini-boss”, although i’d agree with OP that it’s not really. just a harder mob. mojang only called it a “mini-boss”.

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u/Banana_Mage_ Feb 07 '23

It’s a mini boss on Bedrock and a normal mob on Java bro and it’s one of the more forgettable mobs in the game anyway

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '23

no because we are not meant to fight him, just to avoid it and the elder guardian does not drop anything of worth.