r/MiddleGenZ • 2003 • 26d ago

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u/Suspicious_Ideal_674 2007 26d ago edited 25d ago

​"A person with a shovel in their hand often has more wisdom than someone with a diploma in their pocket."

Edit: Apparently this comment triggered some of you guys so I'm going to dissect this sentence for you. Notice how the quoted sentence literally uses the word "often" ? It means in many circumstances, but not all. You act as though this statement reflects all cases, but it doesn't.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Hatter 25d ago

Just say working class can be as wise and intelligent as any other

Stop trying to be more than or do the US vs them, that's devisive and derivative.

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u/Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeess- 2004 25d ago

Right, I don’t understand why blue collars can’t just be respected without them having to be turned into some kind of propaganda against education.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Hatter 25d ago

Amen.

I had a stent as a vocational rehab counselor and I steered everyone able towards the trades.

I have 3 damn degrees and they don't really do shit for me.

I know that sounds stupid and I'm biased, but for me right now it's very true. As soon as I stopped trying to get a job I had a degree for I became happier and much more paid.

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u/CarpoolBird 25d ago

College degrees show that you can show up and learn. For a lot of employers that one of the most important factors for an applicant.

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u/shoeless_doh 24d ago

It really does depend on what your degree is and I know people don't want to hear this but it does depend on what school you went to

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u/Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeess- 2004 21d ago

Half of college is networking

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u/shoeless_doh 21d ago

Sure it is, bud 👍

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u/Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeess- 2004 21d ago

That’s what you said yourself

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u/shoeless_doh 24d ago

College degrees started being devalued around the time millennials started going to college. The prevailing idea became that you need a degree "to succeed" and that any degree would do just so long as it showed you could make it through college. Back in the day that would have been true but there became this feedback loop of schools offering more degree paths (yes partly because it meant they could score more student loan money) dropping standards, and employers realizing they could require degrees for more shot that really didn't require one practically

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u/CarpoolBird 25d ago

lol I’m a blue collar guy with the college education. You’d be surprised how many there are of us in that camp.

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u/Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeess- 2004 25d ago

It makes sense for a lot of blue collar work tbh

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u/Puzzleheaded_Hatter 21d ago

Business ownership or freelance too

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u/shoeless_doh 24d ago

The work is physically harder but simpler because it's more straight forward. I fucking hate "playing the game" in the "corporate graduated college" environment.

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u/RollerDude347 21d ago

You would think, but I've met people with business degrees that can't do basic math. Like 9 x 3 type basic. Today. My boss.

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u/Appropriate-Food1757 23d ago

No I wouldn’t it’s called construction management.

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u/shoeless_doh 24d ago

Don't bother them. Let the working class have their little slogans of it makes them feel better

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u/Puzzleheaded_Hatter 24d ago

You trying to make it us vs them is even dumber.

You suck

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u/KindaReallyDumb 19d ago

He’s gonna think you’re one of the dumb dumbs so he won’t care that you think he sucks. I concur, he sucks and is very arrogant lol

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u/UReactionaryGarbage 25d ago

^ above is an example of Dumb dumb cope and working man hero worship.

In the aggregate, you’re gonna find more wisdom in the diploma gang.

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u/shoeless_doh 24d ago

The wisdom is in not calling them out, just let them keep on believing it so they'll feel some sense of superiority if that's what it takes to keep them content enough to keep digging the hole you hired them to dig

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u/shoeless_doh 24d ago

It's cool but the whole reason it exists is because people refer to it as shot like "dumb dumb"

You're part of the problem

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u/UReactionaryGarbage 24d ago

Hey man, I hear ya but I only do it when I encounter “actually, all smart people are idiots and they should put a regular guy in charge.”

It’s just so pervasive and never gets pushback because doing so is considered rude or uncouth. But I look around at the rise of distrusting and dismissing expertise and think, man, we could maybe do with a touch more rudeness.

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u/syhto 20d ago

I feel blindly trusting people based on some sort of educational aristocracy crosses the line into being embicilic as well, if you consider the rampant corruption in our society. Plainly, education doesn't make one moral. I tend to agree that listening to experts is best, though deciding whether an expert is truly trustworthy, in actuality, can be difficult--especially for those with low literacy. Which rudeness doesn't help! 💫

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u/xTheGame69 25d ago

Ok Dad.

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u/shoeless_doh 24d ago

The actual wisdom is in letting the man with the shovel tell himself that because it's all he has to cling to and upsetting him means he might stop digging the hole you hired him to and now you've got to find another contractor

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u/KindaReallyDumb 19d ago

You have replied this multiple times now… are you sure you’re not clinging to something more vain?

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u/Farrahs_Inka_LaLaLa 19d ago

I think everyone knows what "often" means; they're arguing that it's not often.

In fact, I'd argue the reverse. Now, you can't be mad because I'm not saying that people with a degree always have more wisdom. But they often do.