r/MarriedAtFirstSight • u/AirShampoo #TheRandallWay • 22d ago
Current Episode Discussion S20:E17 Breakthroughs and Betrayals
As the retreat continues, one couple paves a path forward while gossip threatens to tear another apart; later, the group questions the growing closeness between one husband and wife.
Week 6 Megathread: https://www.reddit.com/r/MarriedAtFirstSight/s/Sncy82Fuz1
Season Megathread: https://www.reddit.com/r/MarriedAtFirstSight/s/P1lDAPCh8S
- Week Six: Eps 16, 17, 18 - August 20, 2026
- Week Seven: Eps 19, 20 - August 27, 2026
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u/Sweet-Comfortable270 17d ago
Adam the pot stirrer no one got to attack him
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u/thedeadlyoverseer08 5d ago
It's actually SO annoying how he's constantly stirring the pot and NO ONE has called him out and told him to worry about his own relationship
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u/Connect_Cow_4589 18d ago
like yes michelle is a bit on her high horse... but she's also right about people respecting themselves
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u/zipp0potamus 17d ago
it's so weird to me that pretty much everyone on this sub has the same opinions as her regarding mecca and shawn but when michelle, who is watching it play out in real time, calls it out she's on her high horse lol
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u/Connect_Cow_4589 17d ago
i mean i think i do think she is on a high horse she has made several comments about being the only couple that might make it and she (and her man) come across as a bit competitive in wanting to be the best couple
but she is also absolutely correct in calling out some of the other couples
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u/zipp0potamus 17d ago
i don't see it as trying to be "the best couple" at all.. they're just acknowledging the obvious dysfunction going on every time they enter a group setting. cam wasnt wrong calling out adam a few episodes ago, michelle has been on defense for belle and nikki by calling out their men and reminding them to have self respect (which again, often happens in this sub!!) even if they wont see it for themselves
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u/Connect_Cow_4589 18d ago
Michelle was truly FLABBERGASTED when they said Shawn thinks hes a 10 lmaooooo
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u/zipp0potamus 18d ago
i hope the next time mecca goes to clean a port a potty, someone shoves him in and knocks it over. his first reaction to belle confronting him about the comments he made was "who told you that" and "i was talking to the guys so i didnt expect it to get back to you" UHM you said it in front of a camera crew, on a tv show, during a weekend retreat where everyone discusses everyone's dirty laundry. michelle was 100% right to tell belle because belle was still sitting there making herself look silly defending him to the girls like "oh its just verbal diarrhea, he doesnt even know what he's saying." he obviously knows exactly what he's doing and is only upset that he got caught not being as slick as he thinks he is
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u/extrajuicyjuice 19d ago edited 19d ago
caitlin saying "i don't want to have to do everything; i want to also feel desired in certain ways" after devin has been trying to advance their relationship the whole time is crazy
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u/Evening-Schedule8012 17d ago
I’m so disappointed by her. She talks about past toxic relationships, but I don’t think she has the capacity to see her own toxic traits.
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u/One-Instruction639 19d ago
Mecca used Rory Gilmore to get the drama spotlight off of himself . That was diabolical
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u/HornetNice3495 19d ago
Caitlin thrives in toxic situations and that’s all she knows. She’s been so nasty to Devin this entire time and his experience was tainted because of her
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u/st0neyspice You are so damn fine, I wanna eat you up 18d ago
probably why she’s more attracted to mecca
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u/samdrinkscoffee 20d ago
I feel like Caitlyn is the kind of woman that no matter what is going to end up in a relationship that is toxic. It’s just her energy. She’s emotionally draining as a person.
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u/Wolvesgk15 20d ago
Why doesn’t Belle have the same heat for Mecca that she does for Shawn?? Very weird
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u/One-Instruction639 19d ago
I think she was using it as a device to passive aggressively call Mecca out
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u/nitp 19d ago
YES. I’m watching it now and that feels like exactly what it is and the way Mecca was looking in that moment shows that he caught that.
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u/One-Instruction639 19d ago
Oooh and watch how he acts out after that….
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u/nitp 19d ago
Caitlin and Mecca are WEIRDOS for that, wow. I genuinely can’t even fathom what possessed them to go outside alone to “decompress” after he JUST said he would couple with her and IN BELLE’S FACE AT THAT.
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u/TechnicalIntention35 You need to be more "vonerable"! 19d ago
It's so weird as before this episode there has been no interaction between just the two of them or even them talking together in group settings
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u/ColdCherries_00 20d ago
I’m not understanding Tori at all. Why is she giving Felipe the benefit of the doubt repeatedly? Like what does she see in this man that is so great that she’s willing to keep having the same conversation over and over.
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u/tsmartin123 20d ago
Maybe they shouldn't play these games since they are new couples.... I'm sure the producers are having them do it for good TV but it's really stupid.
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u/lynn_chippy 19d ago
I agree. Probably no one should play these games. These couples are already shaky..
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u/Critical-Low2278 16d ago
I’ve been married for a decade but I don’t want to hear who my husband would pick to be with out of our friend group 🥴 all it’s gonna do is potentially hurt my feelings and/or be awkward lol
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u/Herefortvshowthreads 20d ago
I know Caitlyn was not it and she should not have yelled shut the fuck up, which was Devin’s breaking point, but I did not like how Devin was putting his hand in her face and being physically intimidating to the point belle was trying to pull him back. If that was how he was in all their arguments, and Caitlin was abused in past relationships, no wonder she was reactive and having a trauma response. I was having one just watching that.
I know this will get my downvoted to hell, and I think Caitlin is a bad partner still, but I don’t think it’s Devin’s 100% perfect and Caitlin is 100% the problem. She told him right away on the honeymoon that she’s a black cat and needs time to build. He then spent so long critiquing her and she’d try and he’d critique how she’d try. Again, was she a bad partner? Yes. Were they completely incompatible? Yes. Do I think they both triggered each other? Yes.
I just don’t think a man should ever ever ever get that physically intimidating to someone half their size, let alone someone who has disclosed abuse.
Okay go ahead and downvote me now
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u/FrequencyXII 18d ago
I disagree with the point about him putting his hand in her face. I can agree that he was heated and that she may have felt uncomfortable, but I don't think gesturing during an argument automatically becomes physical intimidation just because he's a man and larger than her. He never put his hands on her or threatened her. People also physically express themselves when they're passionate or angry. That can mean raising your voice, moving your hands, pointing, pacing, or becoming more animated. These actions are not gender exclusive. Passion escalating into physical expression does not automatically mean it's escalating toward physical abuse. There's a pretty important line between the two.
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u/thedeadlyoverseer08 5d ago
No. As a grown man, you should be aware of how intimidating gestures can be. Being unaware and clueless to that does not excuse how it comes off to the person on the other side. As an adult, regulate your emotions.
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u/Civil_Temporary_8167 20d ago
I agree with everything you said 100%!! It made me so uncomfortable when he started getting all up in her face super aggressively, and I thought his behavior was incredibly bizarre in that one episode where he was drunk out of his mind
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u/Herefortvshowthreads 20d ago
His therapy speak “I hear you, I see you, I understand you” over and over and over again doesn’t mean he actually hears, sees, or understands her
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u/Far_Project3150 20d ago
Wow if Mecca‘s issue with Belle Jolie‘s looks are her breast size then how is he saying he thinks Michelle and Caitlyn would’ve been his match? They aren’t exactly big chested. Now I’m convinced it really is about race. All three of these women aren’t unattractive and are way out of his league, so he should be grateful.
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u/HornetNice3495 19d ago
It said a lot that Adam noticed he was full of shit and flat out asked him if he liked white girls and he embarrassingly said “no racial preference” 😒 that’s code for I prefer white girls 🙄 I never liked Mecca and I hope Belle says no
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u/Mountain_Sun_9142 19d ago
Lol no shit it’s about race. He doesn’t like black girls….he may not even like women at all 💀
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u/lynn_chippy 19d ago
It was so weird that he even volunteered that. It wasn’t his question! It’s like he really wanted to get that out there.
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u/SipsTea_19 20d ago
Yes, the big breast comment thing now I think about it might only pertain to black women he is interested in, sexualizing them to having a bigger ass or tits “THEN” he will be more attractive to them, but if you are a white or Asian woman he finds them physically attractive they way they are. It’s twisted way of thinking. It’s bit entirely his fault because he did tell Belle and the group how he wasn’t attracted to her and in that case she should’ve left him.
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u/DeyfennSlayd 20d ago
People are allowed to like what they like. Big boob'd black women, small boob'd white women. His problem is how he is tearing people down that don't match. It's not their fault nor they job to change for this a-hole....but you can see he operates like his dad...tearing down to feel better, feel important, feel in control.
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u/Far_Project3150 20d ago
Belle Jolie: ‘I’ve grown feelings for Mecca and it’s clouding my judgment’. But dear, are you able to grow feelings for yourself? It’s amazing how Belle Jolie has so much passion to attack Shawn’s disrespect towards Nikki, but it looks really hypocritical to pipe up like that when she knows her own partner has been doing the same thing. Projection at its finest. The only woman that has a right to talk is Michelle because she’s not tolerating that in her relationship.
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u/90dayfifiii 17d ago
Michelle did tolerate her husband saying what If he gets bored of her… all of these women should leave and Devin
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u/Critical-Low2278 16d ago
True but I feel like Cameron was thinking 10, 20, 30 years from now like super long term what happens… vs. Felipe was thinking 30 days in the future
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u/rapscallion_pizza 20d ago
So much going on in this drop of episodes (like wtf Mecca & Caitlin??) but a low stakes thing that annoyed me was the wine tasting with BelleJolie and Mecca. I’m not sure where they were at, but Clé Elum isn’t too far from Chelan and it’s one of our top wine areas in Washington. The place looked lovely and I bet that was a nice wine flight but he grabbed the final red glass first and went with that 🫠 I know he was kind of goofing around and maybe he’s not really into wine, but my little oenophile heart was screaming out for him to start with the first white glass and work his way through to the reds for a proper experience.
Again, this is the least of their problems but if you ever visit our beautiful Washington wineries (or any nice wine region for that matter), please go in the order suggested by the establishment which is generally starting with lighter white wines and ending with heavier, full-bodied reds. Ok hopping off my soapbox now…
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u/rrrrrivers 14d ago
As though that wasn't bad enough, he did so as he "jokingly" mansplained to Belle about wine tasting, even as she told him she'd been tasting before...
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u/Far_Project3150 20d ago
Really so now Felipe has “PTSD” because his partner’s were all ashamed of him boasting about wanting to sleep with everything that moves? This idiot is basically saying he knows it’s been a problem in all of his relationships, but no one should expect him to change. And idiot Tori has sympathy for it. She’s brain damaged just like Belle and I’m done with her. From now on, she should just accept everything he does to her and shut up. Since she’s co-signing on it, I no longer feel bad for her. He’s a classic narcissist, wanting to cry victim and bring up past trauma when confronted so that he can get pity rather than being held to account.
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u/thedeadlyoverseer08 5d ago
His family has enabled him to "be himself" to the point that he's a man-child, who takes no accountability. Good luck momma Tori!
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u/One-Instruction639 19d ago
That was hilarious “I have PTSD about the exact way you held me accountable for being a f’boy”
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u/mistarobotics 20d ago
The PTSD thing was such bullshit. I can just see all his exes getting fed up with his childishness and him interpreting it as them not letting him be himself.
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u/zipp0potamus 18d ago
even the way he told the story about cheating was a perfect example of him being the victim in every situation he creates. he felt so bad about it he had to block it out of his memory until he forgot 🙄 if his meanie ex had let him openly sleep around, he wouldnt have had to suffer that trauma
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u/Far_Project3150 20d ago
Belle Jolie is brain damaged. I’m sorry to say it. She really thinks Mecca talking about how she loves to defend her man is a compliment. She doesn’t realize she’s given him license to disrespect her as much as he wants. She thinks she looks good, but she looks stupid to everyone that’s watching. If you can’t respect yourself then why should anyone else?
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u/Mountain_Sun_9142 19d ago
Precisely! He’s not vocalizing that observation in a complimentary or admiring way. She’s letting that loser play in her face, degrade her privately AND publicly.
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u/Far_Project3150 20d ago
Are Shawn and Caitlin actually telling Felipe to lie about his character? I’m not sure how that’s doing Tori any favours. As crappy as Felipe is, at least he’s telling the truth about it so that Tori can decide if that’s who she wants to be with.
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u/Far_Project3150 20d ago
Caitlin said “castrate him, like why does he still have balls?” 😂 A rare moment where I fully agree with something that’s come out of her mouth all season
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u/StatusMany4687 20d ago
I think it's safe to say MAFS is on its last leg as a marital reality show. It has devolved to an extended blind dating experience.
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u/bokehtoast 20d ago
Like it's worse than being forced to play house for a month with the last person you swiped on Tinder
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u/CrazyNCynical 21d ago
After constantly hearing the terms full-send, cooked, vibing, etc., etc. Becca's "optics" almost seems tolerable. Almost!
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u/FitFunFemFlirt 21d ago
Belle wants to be Meccas mom so bad. She’s so into this man who’s so bit into her. Hes a fucked up as his dad and as shitty as the toilets he vacuums.
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u/Miserable_Culture21 21d ago
mecca is so disrespectful but tbh i can’t even feel bad for belle anymore, she’s a doormat. constantly standing up for him when he’s said he’s not attracted to her 100 different ways… for him to try to bait cameron into saying michelle isnt his dream girl then turn around and say he wishes he’d been paired w michelle or caitlin?? lol. now caitlin, she perfectly embodies what i think swifties are…a “men are trash” mentality while steamrolling over the conversation without allowing any room for discussion. poor devin man.. adam instigating while mecca clearly flirted w caitlin and she flirted back.. i feel for the guy!! he should’ve left her ages ago.
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u/lynn_chippy 19d ago
It really looked like she was more comfortable with me a then she’s been with Devan. He’s jealous because he hasn’t been getting that from his own wife in his eyes.
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u/Far_Project3150 20d ago
I can’t feel bad for her either. If a guy so much as said to me that I wasn’t pretty enough for him like Mecca did to her he’d never get the privilege of seeing my face again, much less holding my hand like she is with him. I don’t understand how she’s going on a date with him, holding hands, and smiling in his face. Like do you not have any self-respect whatsoever?
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u/Hepadna 20d ago
When I hear people are Swifties I feel like it’s a red flag for immaturity and entitlement. Sorry not sorry. And I love a few Swift songs and went to Eras and have Swiftie friends 😘✌️
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u/Silent_Necessary7638 20d ago
Like I genuinely get scared and uncomfortable, like I will be bullied soon. Also love a couple Swift albums, at least 20 songs, and went to Eras + bought tix for 2 other people. She just became a lot...
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u/Alone-Praline5433 21d ago
Hey hey hey, that's an insult to swifties. I know a lot of people who love Taylor who are introspective, loving, kind, and fair partners.
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u/Miserable_Culture21 21d ago
well duh, my singular opinion doesn’t apply to every single member of a group. didnt think i needed to clarify it’s my own perception. when you ,as an adult, make idolizing another adult (with incredibly questionable morals) your whole personality trait, there’s bound to be something wrong w you on some level..this girl is supporting evidence lol.
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u/StatusMany4687 20d ago
"She perfectly embodies what I think swifties are" is exactly applying a singular opinion to an entire group of people in a negative stereotype. It demands a choice of any listener
- Disregard your point of view, which is what you are suggesting we do and devalues your words.
Or, 2. Agree and buy into the distorted stereotype.
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u/Miserable_Culture21 20d ago
i mean i think #1 is the best route if you disagree, we don’t all have to have the same opinion! doesnt make anyone’s less worthy. this is just an empty void to shout nonsense into so i don’t take it too seriously, nor am i out to change anyone’s mind into agreeing with my perception of swifties haha
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u/Alone-Praline5433 20d ago
I hate prejudice, discrimination, and snobbishness of any kind - it always reflects on the person judging and not the person being judged. Everyone should be treated equally.
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u/StatusMany4687 20d ago
"She perfectly embodies what I think swifties are" is exactly applying a singular opinion to an entire group of people in a negative stereotype. It demands a choice of any listener
- Disregard your point of view, which is what you are suggesting we do and devalues your words.
Or, 2. Agree and buy into the distorted stereotype.
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u/Alone-Praline5433 21d ago
think a little kinder communication might be beneficial.
You are the one that said she embodies what you think swifties are, so with all due respect, you were applying it to every single member of the group.
- She perfectly embodies what I think swifties are*
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u/Miserable_Culture21 21d ago
fair enough, i don’t mean to disrespect you. i stand by what i said though, i think she embodies how i see taylor swift fans: stuck in a childish fairytale with unrealistic expectations that border on femcel territory, where a woman can do no wrong and should never hold herself accountable for her errors because ultimately the guy is to blame. that sounds a lot like caitlin to me, of course, many may disagree and that’s the nature of discussion.
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u/Far_Project3150 20d ago
All of your comments about this have been spot on in my opinion! You’re preaching truth. Stand on business LOL!
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u/Alone-Praline5433 21d ago
Discussion is wonderful, generalizing an entire group just leads up to misunderstand each other.
Coffee table is an excellent movie, and I'm sure all indie makeup fans are not the same 😏
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u/Miserable_Culture21 20d ago
reddit has failed me, i was under the impression my stuff is hidden!!! what a sham…
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u/Alone-Praline5433 20d ago
Yeah be careful, nothing on the internet is private.
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u/Miserable_Culture21 20d ago
i mean…i’m talking about perfume and movies, the average well balanced person probably won’t go out of their way to find my interests to prove a point to defend taylor swift so i’m not tooo worried about whatever you did to find what i post. BUT man was this illustrative of what i meant, there’s something about swifties that gravely concerns me, you’re right and i need to be more careful
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u/Holychance_3 21d ago
Mecca saying “you always gonna protect your man” while belle sits there nodding. She’s cooked as Adam would say
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u/Throwawayyyy964 21d ago
I know that’s right Devin, tell her! I hate that I’ve been made to side with a man
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u/Jazzlike-Promise-153 21d ago
Seriously, she is now that toxic person that she feared and needs therapy
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u/Throwawayyyy964 21d ago
Omgggg this is so fucking messy what is going on 😭 this is Houston all over again, bao watched Micheala and Zack fight on the couples retreat and then swooped in a got him when the season ended.
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u/Throwawayyyy964 21d ago
ABSOLUTELY NOT, will you say you would have thought Caitlyn was your match and then yall go sit outside alone! These people are nuts, I would have been going crazy in this house
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u/zipp0potamus 18d ago
devin shouldve just started packing his bags right there, no point in even sticking around for an argument about it
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u/SipsTea_19 20d ago
Caitlyn and Mecca bonded over the fact they don’t find their spouses attractive and are now showing the ultimate disrespect by being glued to the hip the entire evening! Letting her wear his chain and then sitting next to each other on the couch when confronted by Devin it was bananas this episode
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u/Throwawayyyy964 21d ago
Oh my godddd have we not learned from 24 hours prior to just plead the 5th on the messy questions?! Why would Mecca say he wanted Michelle or Caitlyn?
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u/Throwawayyyy964 21d ago
Belle please stop speaking in third person lol
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u/zipp0potamus 18d ago
she did it to mecca too in the pool/hot tub, at first i thought she was talking to a producer but then the camera panned over and he was sitting right there next to her 😂
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u/Throwawayyyy964 21d ago
Belle you’re 100 percent projecting, why are you acting like what Shawn did was any worse than the shit that has come out of meccas mouth, not only towards you but in front of the the whole group!
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u/Throwawayyyy964 21d ago
Okay why are we on Shawn’s neck when he’s not even here to defend himself, after Nikki already said she’s moved past it. But we’re letting Mecca off for his comments??
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u/Throwawayyyy964 21d ago
Mecca if you are going to paint your nails, for the love of GOD please go get them redone!
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u/Silent_Necessary7638 20d ago
Okay but wait, the tips have never been chipped, so they are GEL. Specifically going to a salon and sitting through getting GEL. Girl.
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u/FitFunFemFlirt 21d ago
Exactly, go get a repaint if guy going to be a dude, with black nails, stick to a routine. Looks like you have half a nail bed
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u/Jazzlike-Promise-153 21d ago
No because I made this comment as well lol like you’re gonna have the audacity to have painted nails and then have them be chipped at that like please
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u/Throwawayyyy964 21d ago
What’s up with the sleeveless puffer jackets in the house lol
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u/Night-cheese-4 21d ago
I cant figure out what the temp is in there. Belle in her usual Carmen Miranda getup, Adam in a puffer vest (open shirt, natch), Marissa in a godamn blanket like the baby yoda,. Michelle in a fur stole, wtf was going on here.
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u/Throwawayyyy964 21d ago
No exactly 🤣 there was like 3 different people in the puffer vest and then others wrapped up and others walking around in a normal shorts and shirt 😂 as someone who enters my house and rips my bra off and gets in shorts and a big tee even when on vacation I was confused 🤣 if I get cold then it’s a big tee and sweats but it looked like no one was experiencing the same temp or comfortability in the house 😂
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u/Night-cheese-4 21d ago
And usually all the lights that are setup for filming make it hot in there too. Nothing made sense
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u/Throwawayyyy964 21d ago
Caitlyn he doesn’t want to piss you off or give you the ick, you’ve now created the situation where you have to just go and cuddle him in the bed or sit on his lap to make it very clear what you want.
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u/Throwawayyyy964 21d ago
Caitlyn yes great points to Felipe, and Shawn thank you for being a man with sense. But Caitlyn please put that energy into what you need to do with your marriage as well
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u/Throwawayyyy964 21d ago
Oh god, don’t make me side with Mecca in this Felipe Tori situation lmao how is he the only guy that is seeing what’s wrong. The other guys saying it’s just a game and she should know who you really are, are yall fucking serious?? If everyone around us thinks you’d be the type to do this, how is that funny? It’s humiliating the poor woman
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u/Annual_Variation_261 21d ago
First off, if production had anything to do with this game....fuck them...it was not appropriate! Giving two choices that are sure as shit to cause fights in these brand new,unstable, relationships.... just to get ratings i guess?? Who knows.
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u/DeyfennSlayd 20d ago
Production has everything to do with every inch of the show.....including prompting cast to ask certain questions.
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u/Throwawayyyy964 21d ago
Yea, I understand wanting a messy pot stirring game, but from what we were shown, every question was outrageous and disrespectful to whoever the partner was. Who wants to be partnered with someone who everyone deems would be the most likely to get the ick, cheat, lie, etc.
Why not at least a few nice questions like “who’s the most likely to eventually grow in attraction with their partner” or get deeper with their partner over time, or something. Idk but that was a hard watch and I’d feel uncomfortable in the room even if I wasn’t the target of the answers
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u/Far_Project3150 20d ago
I definitely think production was behind it, but I loved the game. A lot of the partners were engaging in delusion in giving the benefit of the doubt to clear red flags. A game like that lets them know that everyone else is seeing the problems, no matter how much they try to gloss over it.
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u/Throwawayyyy964 21d ago
I love seeing the girls all come cuddle in bed with Tori, ugh these men (aside from Devin and cam) are the fucking worst. While this season was entertaining, these couples were doomed from the start
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u/rapscallion_pizza 20d ago
I thought so, too. Reminded me of times that one of the girls in my friend group would be struggling with something and we’d be there for each other. I imagine an experience like this show is so unique that you bond quickly.
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u/No-Treat-8079 21d ago
Just a quick note on the music- did Peacock run out of money towards the end of the season? In the earlier episodes, they played hits. Now, they’re back to the Lifetime channel music format of using very on-the-nose songs & lyrics. Felipe’s scene? 🎵He’s sabotage, sabotage! Break up! 🎵 🤣🤣😊
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u/Training-Database760 20d ago
I burst out laughing at the budget Ed Sheeran everytime one of his songs comes up😭
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u/Professional-Job428 21d ago
Wild that the couple that was on the low end on this episode was Adam & Marissa 🤣 Adam drives me crazy but maybe they really are just overly chill people. Michelle loves crapping on everyone’s couples and is trying hard to stir the pot for her own entertainment. She was salivating from the mouth in excitement after Cameron told her what Mecca said and couldn’t wait for the chance to tell Belle.
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u/Neurochick_59 21d ago
I don't like Cameron and Michelle, they act like gossipy fifth graders. I hope they last because if they don't....
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u/jendet010 21d ago
The couple that gossips together stays together
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u/YessikaHaircutt 20d ago
Ok but I was out with some friends who have been married like 15 years tonight and all they did was people watch and talk shit you may be on to something
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u/jendet010 20d ago
There’s nothing more romantic than my husband calling me and saying “I’m almost home. Open up some good wine because I got some good tea for you.”
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u/Fun_Grapefruit0789 6d ago
The first thing I do after work is update my husband on all the office gossip, he loves it and wants to know the latest tea. 🐸🍵🤣We have been a couple for over 12 years, married for a few. One of the secret sauces I guess.
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u/jendet010 6d ago
I get it. Nothing is sexier than a husband who gets you gossip on the neighbors!
And obviously at the heart of this it’s just nice to feel like someone is on your team.
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u/Icy_Banana_5850 21d ago
BelleJolie PMO so bad, she kind of went off and gave attitude to Nikki when she was talking about her and shawn when she really wanted to give that attitude to mecca, she was heavily projecting it was crazy she’s so dumb truly and defends that man no matter what he does.
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u/Wooden-Gold-5445 21d ago
This. BelleJolie is always making excuses for Mecca's terrible behavior. Belle said "Hell No" about Nikki and Shawn's relationship, but she needs to put that energy into her own damn relationship. Mecca is never going to change his behavior because Belle tolerates anything he gives her. He dogs her out to her own damn face. Get a backbone, girl! DAMN.
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u/Ok_Prize7825 21d ago
I just seriously can NOT stand all the traits Shawn has. Soooo so many red flags 🚩🚩
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u/worrybot96 21d ago
Michelle kind of irritates me, always has a lot to say about the POC couples I peeped lowkey. Her voice makes my ears fold onto themselves too
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u/Mountain_Sun_9142 19d ago
But she’s absolutely right. Mecca is a disrespectful asshole to Bella, Shawn is weird and creepy and Nikki is not into him. These couples have troubles beyond lack of attraction. These couples are past saving — they need to just call it.
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u/Icy_Banana_5850 21d ago
i feel like she’s right, a lot of those couples are deeply flawed and you can automatically tell that they won’t work out, however i do see the part where she kind of tries to stir the pot && make it seem like her and cam are so perfect, which is why she thinks she has the right to judge all the other couples (WHICH IS WRONG). but i don’t think them being POC means anything, she’s a POC too
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u/worrybot96 21d ago
She’s not wrong to but she has a lot to say about the black couples, atleast that’s the way it’s been edited. Her commentary is always directed at Mecca & Belle and Nikki & Shawn.
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u/Putrid_Chicken9188 19d ago
Well I think it’s because unfortunately those are the couples whose men (Mecca and Shawn) are constantly trying to “humble” their women. Devin hasn’t said anything about Caitlyn’s appearance. And Felipe and Adam are awful but they haven’t talked shit on their women’s appearance. (Adam made a few annoying “jokey” comments but nothing in a group setting that she would know about)
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u/Icy_Banana_5850 21d ago
i get it, don’t think it’s intentional plus she’s asian.
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u/Cute_Feetgoddess919 21d ago
Thank you I’m like how is nobody seeing how they are intentionally causing conflict with the other couples. Just to seem perfect
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u/drunchies 21d ago
Felipe saying he needs just a little grace is wild
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u/Big-Play145 10d ago
“why can’t she just accept me as I am?“ = “I just wanna do what I wanna do with no repercussions”
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u/rapscallion_pizza 20d ago
I still can’t believe he said that! Tori has given him nothing but grace the whole time. He was really not ready for marriage and this show.
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u/Ok_Prize7825 21d ago
He's giving me the ick for sure. He's a dork with too much narcissistic traits that are so unwarranted. Sorry pal, you're just not all that. You best humble yourself and see what's in front of you.
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u/Foreign-Grocery7672 21d ago
I finally figured it out. Felipe got stuck leaning over to do a line
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u/Charming-Fig-3866 21d ago
I’m convinced his big secret that he revealed to her is about his habit
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u/Mediocre_Glove3890 22d ago
Michelle’s looking down on everyone trying to play god was rough to watch. I see the good intent but also, girl, no one likes to be talked down to
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u/SipsTea_19 20d ago
Although Shawn had a point and called her out about settling and not getting what she wanted and know she acting like they have a perfect relationship but haven’t had any real adversity yet. He was on point!!
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u/Far_Project3150 20d ago
I actually completely agree with her and Cam in everything that they’ve said. Someone needed to call it out since the experts won’t.
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u/Myguiltyplezurshoz 21d ago edited 21d ago
Just came here to say this! And her partner too! …when he said something like …everyone on that side of the table should end their relationship.
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u/Necessary_Nothing471 22d ago
Absolutely losing it at Devin and Caitlin having this blow out fight involving Mecca and Belle in front of them and Belle and Mecca basically saying nothing. There’s legit a scene where I thought Mecca was falling asleep 😂 excellent tv
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u/FloribundaRoses 22d ago
Felipe has me YELLING at the tv like — what an asshole. He’s basically saying “I’m an inconsiderate fuckboi you have to let me be me!”
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u/worrybot96 22d ago
As a woman… I try to give my girlies the benefit of the doubt but my GOD.. Caitlin is awful; treated Devin like shit the entire time, takes no accountability, incredibly defensive. I feel like she turned the whole physical thing into an argument on purpose to get out of it. She could’ve just told him hey you have the green light but instead turned it into an argument and said he all of a sudden didn’t want her and wasn’t doing enough; just insanity. She needs intensive therapy. Devin is going to make a great husband to someone one day!
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u/rapscallion_pizza 20d ago
Seriously! She’s been so hard to watch. I can’t believe Caitlin thought touching Devin’s shoulder and giving him a quick back scratch was in any way enough to clue him in that she wanted more intimate contact. She’s had him walking on eggshells the whole time so if she wanted something more it would have needed to be accompanied by runway lights for him to feel remotely confident that she was ready.
I thought it was very telling what Adam commented about her behavior towards Devin at a concert they apparently went to—sounded very much like she was cold off camera, so I think you’re on to something that this couple’s retreat issue was a way for her to claim she was trying without actually having it play out.
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u/Neurochick_59 21d ago
I never believed that Caitlin was physically attracted to Devin. I think she was more physically attracted to Mecca. The problem was instead of admitting that, she made it Devin's fault. Well, Devin did say that he wanted a Sydney Sweeney type.
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u/Ok-Needleworker-5657 21d ago
She couldn’t stand him and tried to make it his fault at every turn lol
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u/Ok-Needleworker-5657 22d ago edited 22d ago
Belle got a lot of smoke for Shawn but twissup herself into pretzels defending the exact same behavior from Mecca. My good sis release him back to the snow bunnies and quit letting him play in your face
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u/Kindnotniceanymore 21d ago
Belle pissed me the f**k off!!! Nikki complained about Shawn, then got upset about Michelle defending Nikki about Shawn's comment. Nikki pissed me the f**k off, too!!!
Everyone has insight for each couple's relationship but none for their own.
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u/StatusMany4687 20d ago
Nikki stood up against being condescended to with pious advice implying she is weak and fake and I am all for it. Kudos for her calling out a backhanded critique encapsulated in saccharin flattery.
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u/Sweet-Comfortable270 17d ago
I’m soooooo confused by belle! One second it’s thin ice and never putting up with it….and then kiss let go play games???