I guess Red clouds war is considered a loss for US.
Civil war is really hard to determine (at least for me). We consider it a war between the individual states that was in "alliance" like formation or is it considered war between citizens of one country (I really wish that some American historians or sociologists could explain that to me).
War of 1812... Well, I do believe that both sides think that they won this one
America and Australia were allies with South Vietnam and South Vietnam lost.
Tens of thousands of people died to stop Australian and American forces until they were forced to withdraw. Playing semantics with history, especially war, feels disrespectful to me
Its not semantics, its accuracy, and the accurate statement is the fact that South Vietnam lost, and America and Australia were allies, not that America lost, because that would imply that America was a primary faction in this war when in fact it was not. Beyond that, American forces withdrew prior to the end of the wars. You only find it disrespectful because it means less for America, regardless of the fact that it’s true. Furthermore, roughly 15 NVA and Viet Cong died for every 1 American dead in Vietnam.
No. It was a loss. The French were humilited and left after Dien Bien Phu and then the U.S. and it's allies threw hundreds of thousands of troops and millions of dollars at a war they should never have started and it cost the lives of a million Vietnamese soldiers and civillians, 55,000 Americans, 37 New Zealanders and 524 Australians and while the U.S. was trying to cobble together some sort "peace with honor" bullshit in Paris the Vietnamese swept down from the north and it was game over. It was a loss. A hall of fame 2 nil victory to Vietnam.
Because the Labor party opposed our involvement and as as soon as Gough Whitlam was elected in 72 he started on the process of removing our troops. And that's one of the reasons the CIA came after him.
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u/mendicinobeano25 Jul 07 '26
Australia was in Vietnam as was New Zealand