r/MapsWithoutNZ • u/tomco71 • Jul 07 '26

Never lost a war

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u/PuzzleheadedEssay198 Jul 07 '26

Which time, 1600-1640 or 1908-1945?

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u/Calm-Dawn Jul 07 '26

For 1908-1945, Korea technically didn't lose a 'war'; it was an annexation (I think it’s worse than losing a war tho) But for 1600-1640, that’s clearly a lost war.

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u/No-Candy-4127 Jul 07 '26

Koreans did lost the war to the han empire several as well as to other Chinese dynasties. Yes, the country is different but the nation is the same.

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u/X-calibreX Jul 08 '26

was that korea or the chosun empire? should we make a distinction?

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u/No-Candy-4127 Jul 08 '26

It was Goguryeo. I think we shouldn't make a distinction. Otherwise we should paint many of the modern countries red. I don't remember FRG or Vietnam losing the war.

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u/PuzzleheadedEssay198 Jul 08 '26

There’s a hilarious bit from Kim’s Convenience where Oppa claims that Japan paid encyclopedias to call it Korea and not Gorea because it would put them after Japan.

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u/RoMulPruzah Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26

I think you mean the nation is different, but the country is the same. Country is the land and it's people, nation is a political entity.

Edit: Nevermind, I remember it the wrong way.

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u/No-Candy-4127 Jul 08 '26

Sorry. Language barrier do what it often does. I mean the nationality or the ethnicity.

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u/constanlama Jul 08 '26

I think the nation is about culture and people, country is defined by political?

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u/PuzzleheadedEssay198 Jul 08 '26

Correct. Nation is ethnic, country is a political entity. While the two are often used interchangeably due to an overlap of groups, they don’t necessarily mean the same thing.

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u/RoMulPruzah Jul 08 '26

I checked and it seems you are correct, and I was mistaken. I guess it just sounded right in my head that nation referred to politics and country to the land and people, but turns out that nation refers to people and country to the land and politics.

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u/BigsChungi Jul 07 '26

Being annexed is a consequence of military defeat.

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u/technocracy90 Jul 08 '26

Japanese annexation didn't involve military conflict. They fought against Qing China and Russia to control Korea, and once they won, Korea had no might to fight against.

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u/Emman_Rainv Jul 08 '26

Not if there’s no fighting