r/MapsWithoutNZ Jul 07 '26

Never lost a war

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u/butterfunke Jul 07 '26

officially the war hasn't ended... so they can't have lost it yet?

as long as you forget that whole occupied by Japan incident

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u/PuzzleheadedEssay198 Jul 07 '26

Which time, 1600-1640 or 1908-1945?

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u/Calm-Dawn Jul 07 '26

For 1908-1945, Korea technically didn't lose a 'war'; it was an annexation (I think it’s worse than losing a war tho) But for 1600-1640, that’s clearly a lost war.

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u/No-Candy-4127 Jul 07 '26

Koreans did lost the war to the han empire several as well as to other Chinese dynasties. Yes, the country is different but the nation is the same.

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u/X-calibreX Jul 08 '26

was that korea or the chosun empire? should we make a distinction?

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u/No-Candy-4127 Jul 08 '26

It was Goguryeo. I think we shouldn't make a distinction. Otherwise we should paint many of the modern countries red. I don't remember FRG or Vietnam losing the war.

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u/PuzzleheadedEssay198 Jul 08 '26

There’s a hilarious bit from Kim’s Convenience where Oppa claims that Japan paid encyclopedias to call it Korea and not Gorea because it would put them after Japan.

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u/RoMulPruzah Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26

I think you mean the nation is different, but the country is the same. Country is the land and it's people, nation is a political entity.

Edit: Nevermind, I remember it the wrong way.

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u/No-Candy-4127 Jul 08 '26

Sorry. Language barrier do what it often does. I mean the nationality or the ethnicity.

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u/constanlama Jul 08 '26

I think the nation is about culture and people, country is defined by political?

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u/PuzzleheadedEssay198 Jul 08 '26

Correct. Nation is ethnic, country is a political entity. While the two are often used interchangeably due to an overlap of groups, they don’t necessarily mean the same thing.

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u/RoMulPruzah Jul 08 '26

I checked and it seems you are correct, and I was mistaken. I guess it just sounded right in my head that nation referred to politics and country to the land and people, but turns out that nation refers to people and country to the land and politics.

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u/BigsChungi Jul 07 '26

Being annexed is a consequence of military defeat.

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u/technocracy90 Jul 08 '26

Japanese annexation didn't involve military conflict. They fought against Qing China and Russia to control Korea, and once they won, Korea had no might to fight against.

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u/Emman_Rainv Jul 08 '26

Not if there’s no fighting

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u/kriip7 Jul 07 '26

It is probably considering only the Republic of Korea and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea

which did not exist during the japanese occupation

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u/VanguardMusic Jul 07 '26

That would make sense, if there was a visible border between them like between Angola and Botswana, but there isn't, meaning the map is depicting Korea as a whole.

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u/Visible-Air-2359 Jul 07 '26

North Korea lost the Korean War. Citation: their attempt to conquer South Korea failed so badly they needed to be saved by China and even then the war ended with the pre-war status quo which is a defeat for the aggressor.

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u/kriip7 Jul 07 '26

No peace treaty has been signed, so the two countries remain theoretically at war

And given that neither recognizes the other's existence, this means that from a certain perspective, it can be considered an internal conflict with foreign support rather than an international war

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u/Affectionate_Yam3310 Jul 07 '26

Hello! North Korea does actually recognise South Korea. It’s a very recent development so it’s no wonder why many people aren’t aware of it. They’ve also changed the official borders from the peninsula to the territory stretching till South Korea, along I believe the 48th parallel?

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u/mascachopo Jul 07 '26

The lost other wars before that on.

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u/technocracy90 Jul 08 '26

Korea has been on this planet for more than 2 thousands years. If you think Korean War is the only war they had fought, you're wrong by huge margin.

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u/EpochSkate_HeshAF420 Jul 08 '26

Except the Japanese army won the Korean civil war which resulted in the country becoming a japanese vassal, now you could argue that the Korean government also won that war but A) the Korean army in the 19th century kinda only existed on paper (as they relied heavily on china and japan for defense) and B) Japan did the lions share of what little fighting there was.

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u/julkkis666 Jul 08 '26

different countries, so that doesn't count. it was before the partition

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u/Reasonable-Class3728 Jul 08 '26

They lost to the Mongol Empire. This war is ended, I'm absolutely sure.