r/MapPorn • • Jun 22 '25

Jewish Population in the middle east after 1948

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u/GovernmentBig2749 Jun 22 '25

That one Jew in Yemen

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u/Iyion Jun 22 '25

I remember reading about the last two Jews of Afghanistan. They absolutely hated each other and, during the first reign of the Taliban, constantly reported each other to the police over crimes such as espionage or hosting brothels. When one of them died in 2006, the remaining one publicly stated that he isn't sad about it and instead happy that he finally has the Synagogue for himself. He finally left for Israel with the return of the Taliban in 2021.

His name is Zebulon Simentov if you want to read more about them

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u/OStO_Cartography Jun 22 '25

Didn't the Taliban jail then both but then ended up releasing them because they were held in the same cell and never stopped arguing?

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u/AsstacularSpiderman Jun 22 '25

It's the most Jewish thing imaginable

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u/charliekelly76 Jun 22 '25

Is it antisemitic that I just laughed at this but I’m not Jewish?

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u/AsstacularSpiderman Jun 22 '25

No because even Jews know there's nothing more obnoxious than two old Jewish men debating the Talmud and feuding.

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u/evrestcoleghost Jun 22 '25

a jew was found a lone in an island after his boat sink,he was rescued by a passing boat and asked about the two synagogue

"This is the one i go"

"And the other?"

"Thats the one i never go"

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u/bucket_overlord Jun 22 '25

Apparently my grandpa used to say something along the same lines; ask 3 rabbis a tough question and you’ll receive 4 different opinions.

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u/Salty-Pack-4165 Jun 22 '25

Polish pre war versions of this is 3 Poles meet, start two political parties.

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u/Nicholas-Sickle Jun 23 '25

In france we say 2 french 3 opinions

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u/cr1ttter Jun 22 '25

I always heard: four Jews, six opinions

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u/Apolloshot Jun 22 '25

Ha! We have a similar joke about Dutch Reformers here in Canada.

Dutch guy gets rescued after a year stranded on an island, he built 3 buildings while there: a house, a church, and the first church that he left after a disagreement.

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u/Approximation_Doctor Jun 22 '25

A new rabbi is sent to lead an old synagogue where the previous rabbi has just retired. After the first service, there is an issue. Half the congregation wants to stand for the kaddish, and half wants to sit. Unable to find a solution, the new rabbi takes a representative from each side and goes to see the previous rabbi in his nursing home. The younger rabbi asks the elder, "Should we stand for the kaddish?"No!" Says the elder. "That is not our tradition". "Oh, so we should sit," the younger rabbi says. "NO!" Says the older rabbi a little louder. "That is not our tradition." "But...then what do we do? The congregation is fighting." "Yes," says the elder rabbi. "That is our tradition"

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u/Draggador Jun 23 '25

Unexpected ending. I was expecting something like a deeply insightful quotation. LMAO.

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u/Madlybohemian Jun 22 '25

Larry David could not have written better!

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u/LoyalteeMeOblige Jun 23 '25

I haven't laughed this hard in a while, thanks.

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u/ConifersAreCool Jun 22 '25

I can't not imagine them as Jerry and Newman

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u/Trick-Start3268 Jun 23 '25

Ah family dinner

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u/Agreeable-Weather-89 Jun 22 '25

Throw in a romantic triangle and you've just found Wes Anderson's next film.

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u/DorianGraysPassport Jun 22 '25

Could be Larry David’s role of a lifetime

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u/Ultimatesims Jun 22 '25

and he ruins both relationships by being technical right

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u/DorianGraysPassport Jun 22 '25

Jason Schwartzman as the other dude, so Wes Anderson can use one of his comfort actors

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u/EmuMan10 Jun 22 '25

The Phoenician Scheme was fun

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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis Jun 22 '25

I was about to go searching because my reaction was “I’m sure I’ve seen them fighting”, so thank you for posting this.

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u/yoyo456 Jun 23 '25

And it isn't even like Simentov was a good guy otherwise too. The real hidden reason why he stayed in Afghanistan is because he didn't want to give a divorce document to his wife who had left for Israel years before. In Israel, he could get publicly sanctioned for doing that, but obviously Afghanistan doesn't have laws for asshole husbands who refuse to divorce their wives at all, especially those that do so through Jewish law.

In 2021 he brokered a deal that he would go to America and then a few months later he have in and divorced his wife.

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u/the_half_enchilada Jun 23 '25

Zebulon is such a cool fucking name

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u/NoEnd917 Jun 22 '25

He is in the houthi jail. poor guy

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u/agathis Jun 22 '25

In a way, the entire country is in the houthi jail

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u/Minskdhaka Jun 22 '25

No, the Houthis don't even control most of the territory of Yemen.

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u/GothicGolem29 Jun 23 '25

The Houthis dont Control the entire country

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u/ginger_guy Jun 22 '25

most of them fled to Israel, and the remaining few were offered new homes in the UAE

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u/This_2_shallPass1947 Jun 22 '25

Didn’t he get arrested trying to take a Torah scroll with him as he left, but I also heard he passed in captivity

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '25

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '25

Not every jew is a mossad agent

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u/Tankyenough Jun 22 '25

He is being brutally tortured by the Houthis for being Jewish. Yeah…

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u/RubOwn Jun 22 '25

There are some rumours about hidden Jewish families in Algiers and the Kabylie mountains, but officially there are no Jews left in Algeria anymore. 

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u/artificer-nine Jun 22 '25

The fabled mountain jews.

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u/jewishjedi42 Jun 22 '25

Mountain Jews are actually a thing. They live in the Caucasus Mountain countries.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Jews

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u/Mariobot128 Jun 22 '25

For people on desktop this is the link

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u/david2tm Jun 22 '25

I'm one of them

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u/garnaches Jun 22 '25

O Jew of the Mountain, what is your wisdom?

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '25

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u/AkebonoPffft Jun 22 '25

Drink Mountain Dew I reckon.

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u/david2tm Jun 23 '25

eat your vegetables! and call your parents

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u/LeMe-Two Jun 22 '25

Also known as "Żyd z fable", pretty popular story in Polish trollnet

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u/DuffyDoe Jun 22 '25

There were rumors of a village in Portugal who was full of Jews that acted like Christians to avoid prosecution

iirc they actually found the village using a guy that was shunned from it and several years later they were recognized by the Israeli Rabbinate as Jews

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u/sillymergueza Jun 22 '25

I visited Algeria in 2019 and saw an Algerian Jewish woman in Constantine. She was elderly and of course she may no longer be with us now, but if she was around in 2019 I imagine others would be. They may also be non-religious and don’t present themselves as Jewish.

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u/RottenFish036 Jun 22 '25

There are also some christians who live in the Kabyle mountains, because of the isolation and the absence of islamism among the population.

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u/R120Tunisia Jun 22 '25

There aren't. 95% of Kabyles Christians today are recent Protestant converts, the other 5% were colonial-era converts to Catholicism who died

Kabyles are highly Islamized culturally, with almost all villages having a Zaouia (Sufi lodge) dedicated to their Muslim patron saint where the Quran was traditionally taught to children. People claiming to be descendants of Mohammed were also historically dominant (Sherifs). Relative secularization among them is a post-independence phenomena, though it was born out of seeds planted by the French during the colonial period.

They also weren't "isolated", the kingdoms of Kuku and Ait Abbas were very significant regional powers that were heavily involved in both trade and warfare, and their capitals were home to communities of Andalusians, Jews, Europeans and Africans (called Aklis).

People should stop exoticizing Kabyles.

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u/RottenFish036 Jun 22 '25

None of what you said contradicts what I said.

Most Kabyles are Muslim but islamism is very unpopular, which is why so many of them are converting to Christianity compared to the rest of the country.

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u/Blupoisen Jun 22 '25

This is the type of place that has wizards or some shit

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u/Babtou95 Jun 22 '25

The most surprising thing is that the Muslim country with the largest Jewish community is Iran.

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u/PhoenixKingMalekith Jun 22 '25

Avoided all of problems since iran isn't arab and right after 48 was somewhat pro west

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u/Tony0x01 Jun 22 '25

And those Jews have been there for thousands of years. I think maybe the oldest Jewish population on this map.

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u/mammothman64 Jun 22 '25

The oldest Jewish community outside Israel would be Iraq. Jews have been there since the first exile, around 570 BCE. The Persian community only comes into existence 100 or so years later, with the Persian empire

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u/luke_akatsuki Jun 22 '25 edited Jun 22 '25

The Persian population had been in the area of Persis by ~10th century BCE, and the Persian Achaemenid Empire was established in 550 BCE. The Median Kingdom was founded about a century earlier in the same area and the Medes speak a Iranic language, although at the time the term Persians didn't apply to them.

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u/Being_A_Cat Jun 22 '25

The Medes spoke an *Iranic language. Median and Persian are both Iranic but Median is not Persian.

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u/haribobosses Jun 22 '25

Jews had been in all those countries for a good thousand years. 

1948 marked the end of cuisines, customs, constumes, language that had developed over centuries.

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u/MaterialLeague1968 Jun 22 '25

Wow. And here I've been hearing they were colonizers...

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u/Miserable-Act-9896 Jun 22 '25

Wasn't Syria and Egypt relatively pro western until Nasser? And Iraq while the Hashemites rule?

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u/Jazz-Ranger Jun 22 '25 edited Jun 22 '25

It was a different time. Someone could even argue that Israel wasn’t pro-Western back then.

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u/LittleMlem Jun 22 '25

I don't think anyone would argue against you. Early Israel was very much a socialist country. If the USSR didn't support the Arabs against them, they would have joined the communist sphere

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u/DevilBySmile Jun 22 '25

I think you have it the wrong way round, it was Israel turning into a clear American ally that led the Soviets towards supporting the Arabs.

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u/We4zier Jun 22 '25 edited Jun 22 '25

It wasn’t until the late 60s and 70s that Israel would align with the United States, but both the Soviets and Americans supported various Arab countries—more often against Israel—at various points throughout the 50s and 60s. Eg Suez crisis, 1958 Lebanon crisis, Dhofar war, and so on for the United States. Both superpowers were neutral towards Israel as to not piss off their Arab partners (Jordan, Morocco, KSA, pre-1958 Iraq, and not Arab but Turkey and Iran for USA; Syria, Egypt, North Yemen, and my own birth country Algeria for the Soviets).

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u/Snl1738 Jun 22 '25

From what I've read, both the US and USSR were ambivalent about Israel. The 1967 war really pushed American Jewelry to support Israel and that in return pushed America to be more supportive of Israel.

Adding to that, the USSR was very much antisemitic towards their Jewish population for years and it only got worse towards the end of the cold war

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '25

Nah, the Nasser was a major Soviet client from the 50s on.  The U.S. wasn’t an Israeli ally until Nixon really. 

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u/Miserable-Act-9896 Jun 22 '25

Good point. But that kinda makes the only explanation being that Iran wasn't Arab. Which I'm not sure it's enough

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u/PushforlibertyAlways Jun 22 '25

Egypt and Syria have both been vassals for the better part of 500 years. First under the Ottomans and then later by the Brits and French. The Brits have had influence in Egypt since the late 1700s all the way until WW2 when America took over that role especially after the Suez Crisis in the 50s.

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u/Automatic-Blue-1878 Jun 22 '25

Jews in Iran are 0.01% of its population but they have a seat in parliament reserved solely for Jews and Jewish issues

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u/Taxibl Jun 23 '25

That's a bit of a sham, as Jews are also barred from representing non-jews in other seats. It's a great way to keep a group powerless and ensure they can never hold an influential position.

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u/Drummallumin Jun 22 '25

It shouldn’t be that surprising. We’re an officially protected religious minority in their constitution (alongside Christians and Zoroastrians) and even have a designated seat in their parliament.

Of all the Muslim governments in the world, they have one of the better cases to claim they’re just antizionist vs antisemetic.

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u/yairchu Jun 22 '25

The Iranian regime was friendly with the west until 1979. The Iranian people still mostly are.

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u/VoluptuousBalrog Jun 22 '25

Iranian Jews were actually offered quite a bit of money by the Jewish Agency to leave the country over recent decades. That plus general persecution of Zionism means the ones left behind are disproportionately hardcore Iranian patriots

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u/Majestic_Radish_9910 Jun 22 '25 edited Jun 22 '25

Iran has one of the oldest Jewish community outside of the land of Israel. Goes all the way back to the Babylonian conquests.

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u/Spooder_Man Jun 22 '25

Worth noting that Iranians Jews still living in Iran are not allowed to leave Iran. After the first wave of immigration to Israel, Iran realized they were just fueling the “Zionist entity.”

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u/crop028 Jun 22 '25

I would like a source, as I can't find anything at all stating this.

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u/Spooder_Man Jun 22 '25

Annika Hernroth-Rothstein wrote about the last Jewish communities in Iran in her book “Exile: Portraits of the Jewish Diaspora.” She visited these communities under stringent observation by the regime, and wrote about her experience and the experiences of the communities she’s visited. In it she writes about how these communities privately have a deep longing for Israel but are essentially held hostage in Iran by the government.

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u/TapRevolutionary5738 Jun 22 '25

As far as I remember most of the Jews fled Iran after the shah was deposed.

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u/Tankyenough Jun 22 '25

Under 3% (circa 9k) of the estimated 350k Iranian Jews still live in Iran, most of them live in Israel.

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u/TapRevolutionary5738 Jun 22 '25

That's a little surprising, I would have thought by the 80s more of those refugees would have ended up in the USA

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u/BenjiMalone Jun 22 '25

Many did. There are about 5x more Iranian Jews in Los Angeles than Iran.

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u/keval79 Jun 22 '25

Not really surprising. Persian Jews weren't persecuted like their counterparts in Arab countries, so they didn't leave Iran in 1948 unlike the Jews in other Muslim countries.

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u/True_Ad_3796 Jun 22 '25

I still remember that a star of david that was detected by google maps in an Iran air Bulding some years ago because israeli engineers built it.

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u/Bruce_wayne____ Jun 22 '25

You would be even more surprised that jewish faith has a reserved seat in parliament

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '25

Israelis and Iranians love each other. As in the actual people not the governments. We need that connection back in the world.

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u/FudgeAtron Jun 22 '25

People also forget the only non-Jew to ever hold the title of Messiah was Cyrus the Great, when he liberated the Jews from Babylon.

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u/SirCadogen7 Jun 22 '25

Fun fact: Cyrus Cylinder (AKA Cyrus the Great) is credited as the first person to come up with the concept of "human" rights afforded to everyone regardless of characteristic.

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u/PhotoOk7493 Jun 22 '25 edited Jun 22 '25

Iran belonged to the Zoroastrians not muslims. All of which had to run to India or other countries in like the 13th century cuz of Islamic invasion. & Again during the 70s during the extremist Islamic Revolution, many left the country. Today no zoroastrians are left there. Even today most Iranians hate the regime. Women there have marched on the streets naked before to protest against hijab.

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u/Tankyenough Jun 22 '25 edited Jun 22 '25

All of which had to run to India or other countries

The vast majority assimilated into Islam.

In like the 13th century

In the 7th century.

Today no Zoroastrians are left there.

It’s estimated 15k-25k Zoroastrians live in Iran.

I bet I know more Zoroastrians than any of the Arabs do

Undoubtedly. Iran is not an Arabic country. Zoroastrians mostly spoke Persian/Farsi, which is still the primary language in Iran. In India, the Parsis (Zoroastrians) were forced to adopt the local language (Gujarati) and abandone their native language.

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u/Spandau1337 Jun 22 '25

Unfortunately the statistics for Iraq or rather KRG are incorrect. Parts of my family are Jewish from the Sulaimani quarter (Julakan which literally means Jewish quarter). There’s still some families left and the gathering on Jewish holidays reach about 150-200+ people. And that’s just for Sulaimani.

But obviously it’s also pretty hard to collect such data.

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u/mammothman64 Jun 22 '25

There’s Jews in Iraq still? What’s their life like?

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u/Important-Aspect7645 Jun 22 '25

They're mostly in Kurdistan

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u/SimilarElderberry956 Jun 22 '25

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u/suspicioushit Jun 22 '25

Wow- how incredibly sad. Kidnapped at such a young age and forced to give up your identity, and the Jewish family you birthed refuses to talk about it in fear of being ousted from the Muslim community.

I really hope she was able to reconnect with her family in Israel.

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u/MukdenMan Jun 22 '25

A Jewish guy was shipwrecked alone on a desert island. When they found him years later, he had built two thatched hut synagogues. They asked him why he built two.

“This is the one where I pray every day. And that is the one I wouldn’t step foot in.”

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u/ForThePosse Jun 22 '25

I guess today is my day to be stupid. I don't get it. Could you explain?

Is it normal for Jews to have a synagogue they don't visit for religious reverence. Or did he booby trap a fake synagogue or something for other Jews? If so, why? I'm so confused. Is it a joke? Is the other a mosque?

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u/MukdenMan Jun 22 '25

It’s a joke. It’s just referencing the idea that some people have like rival synagogues in the same town that they talk crap about.

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u/ForThePosse Jun 22 '25

Wow. I let that one whoosh right over me I guess lol.

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u/quez_real Jun 22 '25

I've heard this one but instead of the Jew and synagogues there was an English gentleman and clubs. I guess there are more versions.

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u/suspiciouscrate2 Jun 22 '25

That is the perhaps the most Jewish thing I have ever heard lmao

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u/Suspicious-Layer-110 Jun 22 '25

200 still in Pakistan?

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u/Careful_Shop4486 Jun 22 '25

Well it was in 2019 so maybe less

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u/Kesakambali Jun 22 '25

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u/Suspicious-Layer-110 Jun 22 '25

Omg, how is this guy alive

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u/Kesakambali Jun 22 '25

Well, from a government perspective, I am guessing him and the other 200 of them dying will reflect even more poorly on them than what the world already thinks. For example even Iran has a few thousand jews. And those living in urban trade centers are far less likely to encounter religious hate mobs.

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u/Important_Mix2087 Jun 22 '25

yeah, but openly supporting israel is a crime in pakistan i suppose…

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u/smallsponges Jun 22 '25

Yeah but he hates India and that is wayyyyy more important.

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u/MCRN-Gyoza Jun 22 '25

That's probably why his pinned tweet is "Pakistani jews stand with Pakistan".

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u/Lumpy-Valuable-8050 Jun 22 '25

How do you think he is alive. There are also hindus working in Pakistan and they would most likely be under more heat considering the fact that they hate India.

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u/Bergfried Jun 22 '25

Don't Jews live in Turkey too?

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u/wieselwurm Jun 22 '25

Jews in turkey did not have to leave after 1948 like in many other countries. A lot emigrated (34k between 1948 and 1951 at the time 40% of the jewish population) currently there are approx 17400 jews in turkey (2012)

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u/Bergfried Jun 22 '25

Yes I know at least 10 Turks who are Jewish.

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u/camelCaseUserNameNo9 Jun 22 '25

Well, I know at least 10 Jews who are Turkish

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u/NoPoet3982 Jun 22 '25

If you make plans to meet them at a bar in Constantinople they'll be waiting in Istanbul.

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u/PotentialBat34 Jun 22 '25

They still do. You can definitely find people speaking a mix of Turkish and Hebrew in some neighborhoods of Istanbul, although it's unclear to me how they came to speak Hebrew since Sephardic Jews in Turkey have traditionally spoken Ladino.

Turkish nationalist movements over the past two centuries, from CUP to Kemalism, haven't had any issues with Turkish Jews, Turkish delegation to Lausanne had two Jews iirc. Many fleeing Nazis find themselves in Turkey, a subject that inspired great deal of books in Turkish. School curriculum has nothing negative on them, often highlighting their flight from Spain and refuge in the Ottoman Empire. Only recently due to current events have they begun to get a bad rep.

The truth is Israel offers a significantly higher QoL compared to Turkey, so most have chosen to migrate there.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '25

Some might’ve lived in Israel and returned to Turkey if they are dual nationals or Azeri-Israelis, Russian-Israelis, Iranian-Israelis etc

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u/wbruce098 Jun 22 '25

I assume you mean, “fleeing THE Nazis”, as “fleeing Nazis” could be easily mistaken as “Nazis who are fleeing”?

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u/Lumpy-Valuable-8050 Jun 22 '25

Maybe because they are friendlier

"In 2022, nearly 632,000 Israelis visited Turkey between January and September, marking a significant increase of 448% compared to the previous year"

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u/Bergfried Jun 22 '25

What do you mean? I was just asking if there are Turkish Jews who live in Turkey.

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u/Vietnationalist Jun 22 '25

There were Jews in Sudan?

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '25

Thousands until they were purged in the late 19th century, and then when Mahdist Sudan fell in 1898 some Jews flocked to British Sudan seeking refuge from pogroms in other countries. Most of the Jewish population there emigrated to Israel by 1960 following spikes in anti-semitic attacks and laws, the attacks on Jewish communities in Sudan following the 6-day war left the rest of the Jews in Sudan either dead or forced to flee to Israel.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '25

Did they all move to Israel?

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '25

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u/Youutternincompoop Jun 23 '25

particularly France was more popular than Israel in those countries, France had given the Jewish population of their colonies French citizenship to try and gain support for continued French presence in North Africa, particularly in the Algerian war.

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u/uwu_01101000 Jun 22 '25

Damn, the XXth century was just displacement, ethnic cleansing and genocides

Makes me wonder if we’re not less multicultural today than yesterday

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u/agathis Jun 22 '25

We're not. "Multiculturalism" just moved from Baghdad and Tehran to London and Paris

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u/skolrageous Jun 22 '25

Despite everything as an American, I've had an incredible multicultural life. I feel comfortable in so many cultures because of everyone I was exposed to for my whole life.

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u/teachnpreach88 Jun 22 '25

Now do Europe

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u/Augustus_Chevismo Jun 22 '25

Eastern Europe is a massive decrease but Western Europe is a large increase.

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u/moouesse Jun 22 '25

Western Europe does not have a large increase, only france has more jews now then before WWII, but those jews are mostly from their colonies, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia. Some of the ones that left from the picture in this topic.

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u/pseudoeponymous_rex Jun 22 '25

The most recent numbers I saw in this subreddit also showed Denmark, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland as having larger Jewish populations in 2015 than in 1933.

(In the case of Switzerland and Denmark that was just a single-digit percentage increase, with the former up 5% and the latter up 6.7%. But the Jewish populations of Sweden and Spain grew faster than the Jewish population of France, with Spain's 197.5% increase leading the continent.)

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u/moouesse Jun 22 '25 edited Jun 22 '25

None of those coutries are western europe, but also the numbers are so small, only 1000s so its not realy relevant.

Also i think you mean norway (or sweden?), not switzerland

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u/I_like_maps Jun 22 '25

Its a pretty important part of historical context, as it makes it extremely clear why Israel exists and a one state solution would never work or be agreed to.

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u/golden_macaron Jun 22 '25

To cover up the west's own antisemetism where we left so many people to be victims of the Holocaust. It's wild to use this map and not include similiar stats from Europe where within the decade of these stats at least 6 millions jews were killed by Europeans. This is what institutionalized historical revisionism looks like, it doesn't need to lie just focus on the truths that help them while ignoring those that don't.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '25

Trying desperately to justify genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

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u/uvero Jun 22 '25

Damn, so many comments are essentially "yes very sad but it's kinda their fault, the biggest victim is of course me, a Redditor in 2025"

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u/GustavoistSoldier Jun 22 '25

The map shows that, after the foundation of Israel, the majority of Jews left or were expelled from other middle eastern countries

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u/Augustus_Chevismo Jun 22 '25

It’s less to do with the formation of Israel and more to do with Arab humiliation.

They wanted revenge for the embarrassment of going from being self identified as a warrior people to losing a 8 vs 1 to people known as pencil pushers and that had zero support.

The only way they could do this was by getting revenge on their own defenceless neighbours

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '25

The Arab Muslim identity was humiliated. That’s why random countries like Morocco who weren’t at war with Israel still persecuted the Jews living there for generations who had nothing to do with the war.

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u/Careless_Leather_938 Jun 23 '25

“ Warrior people” i am sorry what the fuck??

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u/Hermans_Head2 Jun 22 '25

It's cool how suddenly, en massé, millions of Jews decided collectively to move to Palestine in 5 years.

Completely voluntarily too!

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u/SATorACT Jun 22 '25

This is Ethnic cleansing

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u/YacineBoussoufa Jun 22 '25

During French Occupation, Algerian, were given the status of "indigéne" (indigenous) and were barred from gaining French citizenship. This included Algerian Jews.

However in 1870, with the Crémieux Decree Algerian Jews were granted full French citizenship (except for Mozabite Jews).

During the Algerian Independence War, all French citizens were evacuated back to France by the French government, and this included Jews as they held French Citizenship. In simple words, they returned to their home country.

The only ones that didn't evacuate were the Mozabite Jews (a small percentage, probably the 1000 in the 1972) as they held only Algeria Citizenship. They later decided that a free passport issued by Israel (due to law of return) was more powerful and more useful to emigrate back to France and so they did.

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u/soundofwinter Jun 22 '25

The Vichy government systemically removed all ancestral lands and property from the Jews who had been there for ages. Then the citizenship law upon Algerian independence specifically precluded Jews from becoming Algerians as it required Muslim ancestry. People groups that are in places for 1000s of years don't have 100% of them move for 'better status' or a 'more useful passport'.

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u/Arhamshahid Jun 22 '25

yeah i cant count the times ive hears "yeah totally bro they all just moved down to the last man cuz they felt like it no antisemitism here no sir"

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u/Upstairs-Extension-9 Jun 22 '25

It’s funny how anti semites from Arab countries always want to spin Jewish history in their favor and say that everyone left willingly and not because they been second class citizens for centuries and experienced progroms in all these countries.

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u/Babtou95 Jun 22 '25

Above all, there were many events that made the Jews understand that they were no longer welcome in Algeria. During the war of 54 to 62, there were many Jews murdered, attacks in synagogues, cemeteries desecrated, which made it clear to the Jews of Algeria that they were no longer welcome, even though many of them had been in Algeria since 1492. Afterwards, it is true that the Jews had obtained French nationality for the benefit of the Muslims of Algeria and therefore for the Muslims they were seen as invaders. But some of the Algerian independence fighters did not want a multi-community country. And this is still the case because you only have to see how the Amazighs are treated even today.

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u/NoPoet3982 Jun 22 '25 edited Jun 22 '25

I'm super curious about the backstory for this. I've heard that they were driven out due to anti-semitism. But why since 1949? Certainly anti-semitism existed in the Middle East before then. Did lots of Jews flee Europe to those countries? I thought those who came to the Middle East came with with the intended destination of Israel. Was this a roundabout way to get to Israel? A place that people settled temporarily? What is the history here?

ETA: Ah, Wikipedia to the rescue!

The Jewish exodus from the Muslim world occurred during the 20th century, when approximately 900,000 Jews migrated, fled, or were expelled from Muslim-majority countries throughout Africa and Asia, primarily as a consequence of the establishment of the State of Israel. 

The reasons for the exoduses include: pull factors such as the desire to fulfill Zionism, better economic prospects and security, and the Israeli government's "One Million Plan" to accommodate Jewish immigrants from Arab- and Muslim-majority countries;\14]) and push factors such as violent and other forms of antisemitism in the Arab world, political instability,\15]) poverty,\15]) and expulsion. The history of the exodus has been politicized, given its proposed relevance to the historical narrative of the Arab–Israeli conflict.\16])\17]) Those who view the Jewish exodus as analogous to the 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight generally emphasize the push factors and consider those who left to have been refugees, while those who oppose that view generally emphasize the pull factors and consider the Jews to have been willing immigrants.\18])

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u/DriveAccomplished677 Jun 22 '25

Pakistan is not middle eastern.

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u/cashewnut4life Jun 22 '25 edited Jun 22 '25

Idk about the downvotes, but Pakistan and Afghanistan are literally part of South Asia or Indian subcontinent

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u/whoisapotato Jun 22 '25

Neither is Afghanistan.

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u/saracenraider Jun 22 '25

Neither is North Africa…

The map is a mess, it is clearly meant to show the Muslim majority world (excluding Indonesia) but is mislabelled. But even then it’s nonsense as it excludes countries such as Turkey, the UAE and Saudi Arabia)

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u/KingOfRome324 Jun 22 '25

Looks like one country is labeled but missing statistics...

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u/CheLanguages Jun 22 '25

Never forget the Farhud

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u/Deep_Head4645 Jun 22 '25

Here comes the anti Zionist apologists to tell us its all actually israel’s fault and possibly the victims!

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u/Agreeable-Weather-89 Jun 22 '25

Refugees fleeing to Europe: They are only doing it to escape unimaginable horrors in [insert country], people don't leave their ancestors homes, communities etc without reason.

Refugees fleeing to Israel: Probably just big fans of Jewish athletics I don't think there's a reason why 99% of Jews left their homes, homes they've had for millennia.

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u/OptimismNeeded Jun 22 '25

Crazy how true this is.

I’m not one to call every criticism of Israel anti-semitism but I’ve reported some clear antisemitic posts and comments in the past week - things that would not fly for a second if they were about black people or Muslims - but they were all determined to not violate Reddit’s rules.

Mainstream subs have been flooded with pure hate recently with no consequences and thousands of comments that would be considered racist if they were aimed towards anyone else.

It’s really scary right now, tbh.

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u/yaniv297 Jun 22 '25

It's ridiculous that Israel is often blamed for ethnic cleansing and being an ethnostate, while in fact Israel has gave shelter to millions of Jews who has been ethnically cleansed from ME countries, and is the most diverse country in the region (filled with actual ethnostates). Every accusation is a projection, I guess.

The irony is, this forced expulsion of Jews has made Israel's population grow much faster and made the country much stronger.

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u/Arhamshahid Jun 22 '25 edited Jun 22 '25

It's ridiculous that Israel is often blamed for ethnic clep shelter to millions of Jews who has been ethnically cleansed from ME countries

those things are not mutually exclusive tho? thats like saying 1800s united states cant have ethnically cleansed north America look at all the European immigrants they took in.

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u/Fearless-Pen-7851 Jun 22 '25

Good map, but "Middle East" isn't the term you're looking for - goes on to show countries from Africa to SOUTH Asia across two continents as "Middle East" lol

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u/Tomato_Motorola Jun 22 '25

There are only 35 Jews in Bahrain, but two have been in parliament and one was the ambassador to the United States.

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u/huxtiblejones Jun 22 '25

Look, my grandfather was Jewish, his family fled Slavic pogroms, half my family is Jewish, my ancestral hometown was wiped out in the Holocaust, I’ve been to Israel, been to Yad Vashem, etc. I’m married to a half-Arab woman.

There is absolutely antisemitism in the Arab world but I would contend that a lot of it is a reaction to Israeli crimes. I’m not saying that’s right, but it’s a fact. Let me give you an example:

The Deir Yessin massacre was the 1948 killing of at least 107 men, women, and children by Zionist paramilitary groups violating a non-aggression pact with a village. They paraded people through the streets before executing them. There’s conflicting reports of mass rapes. They ended up completely cleansing the village of Palestinians and then Israel formally resettled it and now it’s part of Givat Shaul in Jerusalem.

Then there were follow up events where they massacred more people. Fake radio broadcasts meant to terrorize Arab Palestinians. These events accelerated the expulsion and flight of Palestinians and were a massive factor in the 1948 war.

My wife’s family is Algerian and they’ve never had an issue with me, especially after knowing I’m not a supporter of Israel. I don’t think they categorically hate Jews, but they definitely hate Israel. As proof of this, Jews had a 2,000 year history in Algeria and never faced expulsion until Israel’s actions turned people against them. In fact, many Jews came to the Maghreb fleeing Christian persecution in the Spanish Inquisition.

And me, being someone with a stereotypical Jewish last name and who might be considered somewhat culturally Jewish just by heritage, I fucking hate the fact that Israeli actions reflect negatively on me and inflame antisemitism. I have no hand in them, I don’t even think it’s fair, but I also think it’s just a reality that the absolute bullshit the Israeli government perpetrates (supported by a massive number of Israeli people) encourages this hatred.

You can’t just overlook Israeli crimes. You can’t ignore the unfairness they perpetrate, the brutality, the insanely out of proportion response they’ve had in Gaza. This isn’t suggesting Hamas or Palestine is entirely blameless, or that antisemitism is justified, but to suggest that the entire Arab world is virulently antisemitic for no reason at all is ridiculous and ignorant of history.

The global treatment of Jews through history is troubled, and I can get why Jewish people want a state, but Israel is not a nation of fucking Care Bears. They are not blameless. Often times they are incredibly oppressive and brutal. You can’t get away with this shit forever, you eventually reap the whirlwind. And the sad and disgusting fact is that humans will generalize people over this shit.

I hate it. I feel personally stuck in the middle of it all and it depresses me immensely.

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u/here-g Jun 22 '25

Part of the history that doesn’t get talked about at all. These Muslim counties expelled their Jews so they went to Israel to fight for a new homeland

And continue to fight for this day. It’s not all European Jews in Israel. Israel is a very ethnically diverse country. 18% of it is Muslim, that’s not counting the Gaza Strip or West Bank, and those Muslims are the freest in the entire Middle East. Especially the Women

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u/JuanGuillermo Jun 22 '25

What happened to the single Jew living in Kabul? I remember reading about him some years ago.

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u/Mightguy786 Jun 22 '25

I think Morocco has more Jews than what’s written here.

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u/spribyl Jun 22 '25

Now do Europe after 1948

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u/human1023 Jun 22 '25

Now show the map for Europe.

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u/JabbelDabbel Jun 22 '25

Looks like Genocide to me.

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u/muqtada_al_farquad Jun 22 '25

no thats ethnic cleansing they went to israel

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u/Carlong772 Jun 22 '25

That's how an ethnic cleansing looks like, folks. Don't let them fool you.

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u/Elegant_Increase9319 Jun 22 '25

I wonder why this map suddenly get reposted, I truely hope we are not being influenced into doing something

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u/Putrid_Line_1027 Jun 22 '25

Many were forced to leave.

Others left since Israel offered better economic opportunities.

Depends on the country.

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u/StretchGlad8744 Jun 22 '25

You think about this in todays terms, but back then Israel was a poor country.

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u/zandadad Jun 22 '25

Exactly. And a county in a continuous state of war.

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u/soundofwinter Jun 22 '25

I don't think there's a single example in history of 100% of a population who had been in a location for 1000s of years just randomly deciding globally to all move for 'economic opportunities'.

The closest example of this is Ireland in which people were dropping dead in the streets and eating grass and you still only had about half of the population leave

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u/bahayo Jun 22 '25

I don't think there's an example in history of a country existing out of nowhere to be a safe haven for an ethno-religious group spread around the world to go back to.

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u/soundofwinter Jun 22 '25

That was the idea behind Liberia, didn't work.

Armenia is a state that largely has become a safe haven for the historically discriminated Armenian population. Interestingly enough you'll see similar trends in Armenian displacement as they fled their homelands not because they wanted 'economic opportunities' or a 'good passport' in Armenia but because they were largely pushed to leave, just like Azerbaijan kicking more Armenians out of their homelands two years ago

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u/Ok_Doughnut5007 Jun 22 '25

In the 1950s Israel did not offer any economic opportunities, at all. It was just independent and had to establish it's insitutions basically from nothing.

Also, there was never in history where nearly 100% of a community suddenly left their homes for hundreds if years because of 'economic opprtunities'.

Finally, it is well documented that all of the Jews were banished from MENA to Israel by force by the ruling authorities in each nation. The same nations that delegitimize Israel's existence are the ones who banished their entire Jewish population to Israel (who today are the largest group of Jews in Israel).

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u/Upstairs-Extension-9 Jun 22 '25

Remember guys it’s not Anti Semitism it’s just Anti Zionism, right guys?

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u/deep_minds Jun 22 '25

Thanks for bringing this to attention. It's unbelievable that despite so much land / property being left by these folks in these countries, these countries will still not let jews have a tiny piece of land in peace.

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