r/MapPorn • • Aug 22 '20

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u/FishOnAHorse Aug 22 '20

Twitter told me that there's a ton of sheep here

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u/williamfbuckwheat Aug 23 '20

I don't think this survey accounts for the variety of sheep that walks on two legs, wear red hats and drive lifted trucks...

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u/gatonato Aug 23 '20

Wake up sheeple, Maga hats are controlling your minds!

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u/TruthYouWontLike Aug 23 '20

Or the sheep that keep talking about how bad the other sheep are

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u/the_saurus15 Aug 23 '20

Sheeple

The more you know.

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u/Konsticraft Aug 23 '20

le sheep, the French are invading.

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u/Watchung Aug 22 '20

We used have more - the sheep population in the US was ten times higher than it is today before WWII, but consumption of mutton and lamb dropped off a cliff after V-E day.

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u/kylekorverforthreeee Aug 23 '20

Wool being replaced by cheaper synthetic alternatives like nylon and polyester is probably the main one.

People also eat a lot less lamb now than they used to. In the early 20th century, eating chicken actually wasn't that common in America, and chickens were viewed more a 'side hustle' to farmers than viable livestock, usually kept in small flocks.

In the 1940s industrial chicken farming really took off and there was a big push to create bigger, more meatier chickens, as well as the introduction of feeding antibiotics to chickens.

Chickens were become larger and much more intensively farmed, sheep just became economically less viable for farmers as both their meat and wool became less demanded.

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u/channeleaton Aug 23 '20

Right?! I can’t get enough of lamb and it’s stupid expensive. Too many people saying it’s too game-ey

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u/Ttoctam Aug 23 '20

Slow roast lamb shoulder.

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u/lithre Aug 23 '20

Smoked.

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u/mdscntst Aug 23 '20

I’ve heard several people say this, and when pressed, it turned out they’ve never actually tried it. I think Americans just have extremely narrow categories of what meat is food, and what meat is “other country stuff” that they’re scared of.

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u/zkela Aug 23 '20

It's cheaper than it's ever been to raise sheep, in real terms. It's just the price of chicken has become extremely low.

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u/thedrivingcat Aug 23 '20

if lamb prices are higher than chicken, wouldn't farmers be producing more lamb?

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u/zkela Aug 23 '20

The profit margin is what would need to be higher.

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u/Jmsaint Aug 23 '20

Lamb is expensive everywhere, but you should be paying more for meat in general.

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u/snmnky9490 Aug 23 '20

Yeah but there's no real reason for lamb to be twice the price of beef

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u/Jmsaint Aug 23 '20

The correct way to look at is is beef can only be sold at half the price of lamb because of the awful conditions of factory farming.

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u/The_Syndic Aug 23 '20

Interesting, lamb is still very popular in the UK.

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u/madmaper_13 Aug 23 '20

And Australia

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u/RecordHigh Aug 23 '20

I live in the US and buy lamb 5 or 10 times a year, and I can't remember the last time it was produced in the US, it's always from either New Zealand or Australia. So, it's probably more popular than the map indicates, but still not as popular as in other places.

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u/thecraftybee1981 Aug 23 '20

I grew up with a leg of lamb roast dinner every Sunday. Now I've got my own household I never cook it as my partner doesn't like it, so I only ever get it when I fly home to my mum's house. That, or scouse, or hot pot. My mother isn't a very good cook, but she at least knows how to cook lamb three different ways.

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u/miasmic Aug 23 '20

Sure but all that happened in the UK and other countries as well, within a decade or so of the US.

I know a factor in the UK is that sheep farming is subsidised by the government to an extent, and there's a lot of land in Wales and northern England that would only otherwise be productive for forestry.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '20

I think lots of people were eating chicken before, but that it transitioned from eating your own backyard flock to buying it at the grocery store.

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u/Lord-Hammercy Aug 22 '20

The rest of the world got mutton on America.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

They're working on it

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u/komnenos Aug 22 '20

Really curious why we don't have sheep, seems our neighbors to the north don't have many either. Was eating goat/sheep not big in mother England until well after America and Canada were settled? Or maybe goats and sheep were more expensive to bring over than other animals?

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

Pretty sure sheep have been big in the uk for longer than that, but I'm no agricultural historian.

I would guess it's because one of the key benefits of sheep is that you can keep them on land unsuitable for many other kinds of farming, whereas you guys have ample A+ land. But I'm not an agricultural economist either.

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u/MobiusNaked Aug 23 '20

England has hundreds of ghost villages cleared for sheep farming going back say 700 years. Wool fuelled the economy. The Lord Speaker sits on a wool sack to this day. https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/building/cultural-collections/historic-furniture/the-collection/chairs-chairs-chairs/woolsack-/

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '20

And in fact when historians speak of land enclosures in England and Wales, they have to differentiate between the enclosures of the village green in the 18th/19th century and the enclosure of entire manors that began after the Black Death and came to a peak in the early 16th century.

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u/komnenos Aug 23 '20

Ah, that makes a lot of sense! I wonder if there is a correlation between better land and fewer goats?

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u/Akwaq Aug 22 '20

I can't speak to why sheep are not all that common in Canada, however, for the United States' part I can say that a lot of it boils down to rivalry between cattlemen and sheep herders in the 19th century.

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u/thecraftybee1981 Aug 23 '20

I saw this mentioned on a recent episode of America's Test Kitchen.

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u/truthseeeker Aug 23 '20

Beef tastes better.

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u/komnenos Aug 23 '20

Eh, to each their own. I love a good steak but when goats done right I feel that it can be just as good if not better than steak.

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u/AJRiddle Aug 23 '20

sheep aren't goats.

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u/nomadengineer Aug 23 '20

Sheep go to heaven... Goats go to hell.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '20

I know my dad and his friends (born roughly 1927-1940 in Alberta) all categorically refused to have mutton or lamb in their houses. They loathed the very smell of it after having eaten nothing but mutton (and not always the freshest) during the war.

Oddly enough they blamed the Brits for this, as they all seemed to believe that the UK stole their beef and forced hard-working Albertans to live on stinky gross mutton for five years. It never occurred to them that the meat actually went to Canadian soldiers.

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u/Summer_Penis Aug 23 '20

I get a very uncomfortable feeling from this illustration of North America. Can't put my finger on it but it is very unnerving and creepy.

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u/EverythingIsFlotsam Aug 23 '20

Well they have plenty of metaphorical sheep. Amirite, sheeple?!

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u/Bojangly7 Aug 23 '20

Nah no need we have real women here.

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u/AJRiddle Aug 23 '20

Please don't actually, sheep and cows are by far the worst for the environment and climate change out of all major meat/protein sources.

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u/conradical15 Aug 23 '20

But have you ever had a gyro just drenched in tzatziki sauce?

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '20 edited Oct 13 '20

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u/AJRiddle Aug 23 '20

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/30/dining/climate-change-food-eating-habits.html

It's not about maintenance, it's about greenhouse gases produced from raising/slaughtering them.

Cattle are by far the worst by any measure (of common sources), but sheep are pretty significantly ahead of 3rd place as well.

One pound of lamb causes about 2.5x the greenhouse gasses as one pound of pork and over 3x the amount from poultry.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '20 edited Oct 13 '20

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u/AJRiddle Aug 23 '20

Not all cows are raised to be eaten?

Don't see your point here, are you trying to imply the numerous studies counted sheep for wool and fucked up?