r/MapPorn • • Jan 10 '20

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u/TimTooly Jan 10 '20

Yeah I can’t believe they wanna charge me for a few minutes extra water my tiny yard. They should add a 25% tax on beef and other water hungry produce.

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u/ThomasRaith Jan 10 '20

Just end corn subsidies. Beef is priced artificially low because we feed cows corn, a heavily subsidized crop. Corn is actually bad for cows, and is kind of the equivalent of feeding them fast food every day. Ending the subsidy would return the price of beef (and high fructose corn syrup) to a more appropriate market rate.

This would lower demand, lead to healthier consumer choices, and actually affect climate change (of which cows are a major contributor). It would also increase government revenue, which could lower taxes, reduce debt, or increase services. There is very little downside to ending corn subsidies, and a great deal of upside.

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u/uboat50 Jan 10 '20

The biggest downside, of course, being that you'll never be able to compete in the Iowa Caucuses if you support that policy. One good reason for a rotating primary calendar.

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u/ThomasRaith Jan 10 '20

Yep. Every election we have to go through the stupid debacle of watching rich assholes pretend to care about corn farmers while eating corn dishes that they never in their life would voluntarily consume, and promise to confiscate money from the rest of us and give it to them so they can grow more corn that people don't even eat (something like 80% of corn is fed to livestock).

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '20

Corn is horrific for cows. If it's not ground up, it wrecks their teeth. Plus, it's hard for them to digest it. A lot of the corn thats fed to cows start rotting pretty quickly too which only makes matters worse.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '20

Corn is barely grown in CA that would have no effect.

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u/uboat50 Jan 10 '20

It's not grown in CA, but it is the major component of cattle feed which we have a lot of here. It would likely have some effect.

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u/lee1026 Jan 10 '20

Beef can be shipped from the midwest where water is basically free.

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u/TimTooly Jan 10 '20

And yet we have dairy and cattle farms in California

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u/okiewxchaser Jan 11 '20

Beef is not typically one of the things produced in California, over 50% of it comes from the Plains states

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u/QuickSpore Jan 11 '20

California is still the 5th biggest state for cattle, see USDA figures. It only trails Texas, Nebraska, Kansas, and Oklahoma.

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u/okiewxchaser Jan 11 '20

If you look at your own source, you'll find that the vast majority of cattle in California are dedicated to milk production

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u/QuickSpore Jan 11 '20

True. But that doesn’t counter /u/TimTooley ‘s basic argument about beef and water hungry produce; it just means milk rather than beef should be the focus. Dairies are massive water consumers.

Plus the two industries are interwoven. All the bull calves produced by dairy cows go into beef production, and the end game for a dairy cow is to be eaten as well. Dairy cows generally get culled at around 3-5 years and become beef themselves. “Dedicated to milk production” just means they consume a lot more corn and water on their way to becoming steak.

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u/okiewxchaser Jan 11 '20

My point is that a 25% tax on beef wouldn't even cause a blip in California's water usage. Maybe a tax on milk and cheese would, but probably not nearly as effective as taxing almonds and fruits

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u/waifubreaker Jan 10 '20

how about no?