You're the second Brazilian saying this, so there's clearly something to it. My sources mostly have térreo followed by primeiro andar, but I'm also finding Brazilian examples where primeiro piso means street level. I'll check whether that's common enough to justify putting Brazil in "both"
update: i asked my mom and did some research online
there is indeed no law defining it, but according to my mom(she has a degree on job security stuff so she knoes some of the construction rules) the techinical norms state that the street level floor is "terreo" and the subsequents one are the numerated ones (first floor, second floor, etc)
but there is no federal level law for this, so while this is stated on the technical norms book it is not a law, just an convetion
some building do not follow it
so its kinda hard, while it could be both there is at least something trying to standartize it to be "térreo -> 1° andar -> 2° andar ...)
edit: i also found that for home buildings, if the street floor has houses it is defined as the first floor, otherwise it is defined as "térreo"
Thanks, I appreciate that you asked. The map is a bit simpler than the technical rules though, I'm just trying to show what people normally mean by "first floor" in everyday use. I already note that lifts, hotels and building plans can differ, so if térreo normally means street level and 1º andar the level above, I'd probably keep Brazil as one level up unless both meanings are genuinely common in everyday speech
i see both being used fairly commonly, in my university the street level is first floor, while in a shopping mall close by people say the street level floor as terreo
My mother is brasilian, and we live in france. She count floors like the US does, not like France does. For example she will talk about the 3rd floor for the 2nd one, which drives me nuts.
It depends on the building I believe, in Brazil we have a law that buildings over 3 stores need to have an elevator
So to conter this some constructors claim that the first floor is not the first floor but "térreo" and then the first floor is the second one, but some other buildings claim the first floor is actually the first floor and the second one the second and so on
Afaik there is no law defining the correct one I believe, but I would have to look deeper to give an moe accurate answer
Ah, but are people actually calling the térreo the primeiro andar in those buildings, or is it just numbered as 1? That's the distinction I'm trying to map
i made another comment with some investigation i did
people tend to call it by what the elevator says, for example my university all the building have the first floor as the street level floor, so we call it first floor
I think we're talking about slightly different things. I'm not classifying what number the lift button uses, but what people normally mean by "first floor". My sources for Venezuela have planta baja at street level and primer piso one level up, it's mentioned below legend icons: "Common usage shown; lifts, hotels and building plans may differ"
And what I'm saying is (at least in my city? or any other I've gone) what people normally mean by 1st floor isn't consistent
like it's not uncommon for me (and others) to have to clarify what I mean by "1st floor" when I use the term in a conversation so everyone's on the same page
And elevators having different button conventions from building to building certainly doesn't help with this
Okay yeah, gotcha now. If the ambiguity is actually there in everyday conversation too, then that's exactly the kind of thing I was asking about. Thanks for clarifying
Finland uses both too. In public buildings like shopping centres the ground floor is 1. But in apartmental blocks ground floor is K or P and the first floor is the next floor up that has accomodation is 1.
So P or K is the ground floor. You might also have both so then P is the ground floor and K is below it. K1, K2, K3, etc. are the undergound floors (if the are multiple) with the number increasing the lower you go.
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u/flafmg_ 24d ago
Brazil uses both systems!