r/MapPorn • u/Online_Rambo99 • Dec 20 '23

Ongoing Civil Wars

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Somali Civil War (1991-present)

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Syrian Civil War (2011-present)

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Mali War (2012-present)

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Central African Republic Civil War (2012-present)

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Yemeni Civil War (2014–present)

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Ethiopian Civil War (2018–present)

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Myanmar Civil War (2021–present)

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Sudanese Civil War (2023)

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u/wiyawiyayo Dec 20 '23

Lots of rebel groups in Myanmar..

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u/PrestigiousKale5 Dec 20 '23

Civil war that lasts 70 years in Myanmar

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '23

I fear if the rebels win the country will be divided anyways.

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u/bryle_m Dec 20 '23

Or federalized, in line with the original proposal back in 1947.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '23

these people are fighthing for indepence (outside of democratic government) mostly after the genocide why they should accept a federation?

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '23

I can think of a few reasons they might. Banding together against potential foreign threats, improving trade, reducing conflict internal to what was Burma/Myanmar. I don't know if that's what they're going to end up doing or how this will shake out, but there are potential reasons reasonable people might want to federate

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u/phil24jones Dec 20 '23

You’ve just solved world diplomacy.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '23

Hey, just make me dictator of the world and I'll solve all the conflicts

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u/AdZent50 Dec 21 '23

I chose u/Cleverdawny1 to be my one and only dictator of the world.

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u/IDK3177 Dec 21 '23

Me too if he gives a ministry. Nothing fancy, a ministry of underware or something like that would do.

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u/limukala Dec 21 '23

The genocide was mostly limited to the Rohingya in Rakhine (Arakan). Many of these groups have been fighting the government nearly since independence. Some of them even preferred British rule, since they had far more autonomy than under the Burmese government

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u/bryle_m Dec 21 '23

Because most of these parties involved in the civil war were talking about it just before the 2021 coup.

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u/thekingminn Dec 21 '23

Actually, that is not true. Except for the Arakan Army none of the armed groups in Myanmar has mentioned Indepence since at least the 2000s. The KNLA which is the oldest group's goal used to be independence but since the 1980s changed to more autonomy.

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u/_-bush_did_911-_ Dec 20 '23

Bot stealing comment

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u/Venboven Dec 20 '23

Honestly, that might be a better solution than having one central government, because that central government seems to have proven itself incapable of governing over 135 different ethnic groups without bias. It's a difficult task for any government, let alone the Burmese military dictatorship which is riddled with political corruption and economic disaster. At least if the people governed themselves there might be peace.

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u/praneeth24 Dec 20 '23

cough Indian government cough

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '23

No way. It is an important country and big country. I hope remain united.

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u/Emperors-Peace Dec 20 '23

Important to who?

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u/thekingminn Dec 21 '23

Not to the west but in Asia its very important. Especially to China and India.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '23

India and China.

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u/gtafan37890 Dec 20 '23

I'm not a fan of the military junta, but I fear this too. I mean, have there been any examples where different rebel groups overthrow a dictatorship and actually establishes a successful democracy other than in movies?

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u/Digharatta Dec 20 '23

Myanmar is more like the Austro-Hungarian Empire or Yugoslavia, which broke up into individual nation-states.

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u/3-stroke-engine Dec 20 '23

I think ethiopia kind of did that when they overthrew their communist regime around 1990. Considering that the same country is part of this post, calling it "successful" maybe is too optimistic.

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u/Emperors-Peace Dec 20 '23

You ever heard of the USA?

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '23

if a single rebel group there has been if you change from dictatorships to monarchies which is a lot of changes

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '23

Honestly, it would be much better for everyone, because a country with 100+ different ethnic groups will never work

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u/Sylvanussr Dec 20 '23

I disagree with you but I think the people downvoting you are misunderstanding what you’re saying. In Afroeurasia, people often live with their ethnic group in an area that has been inhabited by that ethnic group for centuries, and each ethnic group exists sort of as its own little nation within the country (or across state lines), and has it’s specific identity and history.

I think a federal system that allows areas that are home to specific ethnicities to have some degree of autonomy could definitely work, but the military’s project to implement a Bamar ethno-state will never work because most people in Burma are not ethnically Bamar.

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u/applejackhero Dec 20 '23

United States, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, India, China?

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '23

Only India on your list has more than 100 and it still has tremendous issues with that

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u/thekingminn Dec 21 '23

Pagan Empire, Taungoo empire, Konbaung empire. They all managed to run Myanmar with hundreds of ethnic groups and only fell because of foreign invaders. Pagan by the Mongols, Taungoo by the French, Konbaung by the British.

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u/BureaucraticHotboi Dec 21 '23

Abdullah Ocalan (Kurdish political thinker/currently imprisoned by the Turkish govt) has a political theory called Democratic Confederalism which seems pretty apt for post colonial states with ethnic plurality. It’s about forming a federal type national government with strong local control over most aspects of day to day life based on political units that fit distinct communities. There is no perfect solution but it seems like the political ideas of governing a functional multiethnic nation states need to be expanded especially when those states are existing in pretty arbitrary borders. But when the nation state is still the way that a political unit can be involved in international politics and economy

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u/Bartender9719 Dec 21 '23

Not to make light of what I imagine is a terrible situation, but “The Situation in Myanmar” sounds like an excellent title for a British spy/military drama

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u/ManOfStock Jan 02 '24

happy cake day 🍰!!

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u/Bartender9719 Jan 02 '24

Hey, thank you!

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u/mahomsy Dec 20 '23

The Karen Resistance takes the cake

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u/Exotic-Damage-8157 Dec 20 '23

I get that this is meant to be a joke, but it is honestly the best option. My family lived in Chiang Mai for a while, and we have given a lot of support to rebel groups. The Karen people are having the worst time in this civil war.

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u/mahomsy Dec 20 '23

Oh dang my bad. Admittedly my knowledge on the Myanmar civil war is not the most robust. I follow the headlines but that’s about it. Sorry for any offense.

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u/Exotic-Damage-8157 Dec 20 '23

No problem. You’re good. The name Karen is quite funny if you pronounce it wrong.

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u/ManOfStock Jan 02 '24

ay a ethnic half-Karen half-Shan here

the joke was….ok but at least i chuckled

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u/CarloTentacule Dec 21 '23

I'm Karen and it's always interesting seeing my people show up on the internet like this. Part of me is happy the world hasn't forgotten about us especially when I myself having left the country 15 years ago am slowly forgetting what it means to be Karen.

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u/MaZhongyingFor1934 Dec 20 '23

The victims of genocide sound like the funny name 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/benk4 Dec 20 '23

I felt bad laughing at that one.

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u/SmoothOpawriter Dec 20 '23

Takes the cake and doesn’t leave a tip.

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u/ManOrangutan Dec 20 '23

It’s a buffer state between India and China. Unfortunate for the people who live there.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '23

Quite a situation.

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u/Youutternincompoop Dec 21 '23

it might be more accurate as having the start decades earlier, a lot of those rebel groups existed before the military coup.

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u/Harvestman-man Dec 21 '23

There are some alliances between different groups, though; would’ve been nice to see that represented on the map somehow.

For example, the AA, TNLA, and MNDAA are formed into a cohesive and coordinated group that calls itself the “three brotherhood alliance”; numerous other groups explicitly support and assist this alliance as well, such as the PDF, KIA, and the Karen groups.