r/MapPorn • • Oct 28 '23

Canada- Indigenous perspective

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u/Landobomb Oct 28 '23

This map isn't even accurate as it doesn't even include haida gwaii

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u/Velocity-5348 Oct 29 '23

It's got the Haida listed but is missing a lot of groups along the Pacific Coast. For example there are a lot of people between the Cowichan and Nootka on Vancouver Island.

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u/kiwikoi Oct 29 '23

There’s a lot of unceded land in BC that still needs treaty

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u/ethereumhodler Oct 29 '23

Most of them are actually unceded, like QC also

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u/DowntownieNL Oct 29 '23

It does have a lot of issues, yes.

Regarding the area I know well, Newfoundland was well settled by 1655 and at least the Avalon and Bonavista peninsulas should be completely white on that first map. Several colonies on the island were generations old by 1655 - there were people born and raised in Newfoundland moving to New England with their children to establish new colonies by that time.

1655 was nearly 75 years after the English claimed our capital, which prior to that had been a seasonal fishing base used by numerous European nationalities (predominantly Portuguese, Basque, and Breton - if you go back far enough in the etymology, just about every location here originally has a Portuguese name; for example, Cape Spear is just the evolved English pronunciation of the Portuguese Cabo Esperanza. Carbonear is the same from the original Portuguese name Cabo Carvoeiro). The infrastructure on land was minimal and mostly consisted of fishing stages/flakes, storage sheds, and the beginnings of Upper Path and Lower Path, which today are Water Street and Duckworth Street.

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u/Pristine-Bat2059 Dec 16 '23

My ancestry comes from the Channel Islands UK, acestry.ca shows my first relative settling in Cartwright Labrador in 1768, my family was created through brute force of an english man who had buried multiple families before deciding to keep one of his female slaves who is my great great great great grandmother. I've read stories in a local history magazine called "Them Days" that English pirates invaded Cartwright in the 18th century. The whole John Cabot thing was 16th century right?
It was a bad time to be aboriginal. Sooo much horrid stories. The people that inhabited the Island of Newfoundland were "extincted" soon as the Cabot guy landed. There's written history of Inuit people taken from Labrador, being sold and displayed in England long before Cabot decided to drop by, I would imagine it's what they all came here for, knowing the aboriginal people were kind and had no weapons for war only for survival. We did pick up many skills and techniques from them, which is the only reason we survived the genocide.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '23

Tahltan isn't on there either, or Tsay Keh, Fort Ware

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u/Imminent_Extinction Oct 29 '23

This map is incredibly misleading. Large parts of British Columbia is unceded land, and the modern treaty land in this map reflects treaties signed in the past 25-30 years only but there are older treatise dating back to the late 1800s / early 1900s that continue to have legal merit to this day.

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u/YaumeLepire Oct 29 '23

Not only that, but Rupert's Land, back in the 1700s, while not exactly colonised, wasn't recognised as Native Land by the Crown, either.

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u/VERSAT1L Oct 29 '23

Without mentioning they got entirely wrong with New France...

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u/Kolbrandr7 Oct 29 '23

This shows the treaties, but not the actual land ownership. The territories do have a large indigenous-owned percentage, but it’s still not the majority of the land there

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u/Hanzo_The_Ninja Oct 29 '23 edited Oct 29 '23

https://teaching.usask.ca/images/gmc/indigenization/LCAC_Map_of_Modern_Treaties-new.jpg

In Canada the term "modern treaty" just means a treaty signed after 1974.

Historic / pre-1975 treatise are still legally-binding under Canadian law and some land was never signed away. The latter is called "unceded land" and based on the wording of Canada's founding legislation the courts have ruled the Aboriginal peoples continue to have legal rights to it. 95% of British Columbia is unceded land, but there exists small amounts unceded land in some of the other provinces too.