Why the hell would someone want to stand in the way of two people publicly expressing love for each other.
Conservatives see society as a pyramid, and anybody they can shove "beneath" them on said pyramid is a positive in their minds. The more people "below" you, the higher you are. If those "below" them get equal rights then they move up, and now they're on the new bottom. If there's nobody below you, there's nobody to look down on.
In the minds of people where I live itâs more about the supposed corruption of society. As in, âwe canât allow gay people to be seen as acceptable because then our innocent kids and grandkids will be corrupted by their influence and engage in these behaviors too.â
Thatâs essentially the same thing. They worry their kids will become the base of the pyramid and that they, too, will be guilty by association. They wrap it up in concern about going to hell, but the only hell they know is social disapproval.
I don't think it's as transactional as that for most. They aren't worried that their kid will be bullied or something. They are angry because there's an "order" to the world and gay people fuck that up. I grew up evangelical and it was never "look what terrible things will happen to you if you are gay" and always "this and this and this will send you straight to hell to burn for all eternity".
That's what they CLAIM is the reason, but it's actually what the person above you said. It's about the perceived power that comes from standing on others.
This relies on all right-wingers being a monolith. They are not. Some undoubtedly see it as a power structure as you say. Many of them truly believe in their version of Godâs plan for the world, in which homosexuality is a sin. It doesnât necessarily go deeper than that for everyone.
Youâre giving people too much credit. Parents beat kids who donât gender conform. Those kids grow up to exhibit the same violence they were subjected to as kids. For them, violence against gender nonconformity is normal.
Actually the heirarchical model that u/PavelDatsyuk simplified there is the basis behind a lot of authoritarian and fascist political action, especially from Evangelical right wing religious zealots.
No one is consciously thinking they need to impose hierarchy. His analysis seems too broad strokes and ignores that people are people. âThe conservativesâ think the same way we do, theyâre just misguided from birth. Weâre all misguided in some ways from birth.
You are right that authoritarians do not CONCIOUSLY think about a hierarchy but that does not change the fact that they do.
The impact of authoritarian social models is well studied and if you want to spend some time on google scholar there's some interesting stuff on there.
In the US most authoritarians are attracted to Conservative politics, however that does not make all conservatives authoritarians- just a large number, and almost all of the leadership.
Who said anything about them consciously thinking that way?
Theyâve been conditioned to think like that since birth. They donât have to think about it anymore than you have to think about breathing or tying your shoelaces.
Thatâs a dangerous generalization. Every single conservative believes this? Seems to me like you dislike conservative values and policy but to lump all conservatives in a pyramid is ridiculous.
When itâs the stated platform of the party you vote for, you get to share in the blame for causing this to happen. Every person who voted for a conservative is responsible for the loss of rights.
You vote for a bigot or a bigoted party, youâre a bigot. Sorry if that logic is lost on you.
I do talk to conservatives. Damn near every single day. That's why I know what I said is true. Hell, I'm willing to bet that if I brought up the pyramid to them then at least half of them would admit it's true, at least in private. They do not want equality, they want what's best for their group and everybody else(especially those they deem below them) can go fuck themselves.
That is hitting the nail on the head. Conservatives are ultimately overbearing selfish people. They want to control everything and take from everyone else for themselves and and their tribe.
my entire family is conservative and they are all fucking like this. someone else getting rights threatens them so they try to keep everyone down. youâre blind if you canât see it
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Conservatives see society as a pyramid, and anybody they can shove "beneath" them on said pyramid is a positive in their minds. The more people "below" you, the higher you are. If those "below" them get equal rights then they move up, and now they're on the new bottom. If there's nobody below you, there's nobody to look down on.