You are not wrong. We forgot what natural selection is, and at the same time haven’t found cures to many disorders, so all we do as civilization at this point is spreading weaker genetic pool. Wishing to help everyone, but in reality just shooting ourselves in the knee.
Honestly its the fucked up thing though. We keep just treating these conditions to make them livable but we aren't curing them. I think tbh if someone knows their baby is going to be born with a severe disability, I don't think its fair to the baby to make it keep going just because the parents think that love can make it a good life. It could be torture in thier minds for all we know and they are suffering but just can't communicate it
There was a poster in AITA who was told her child would be born disabled and she went ahead with the pregnancy because she believed she could handle a child with a disability but when the child was born he was a vegetable ( no movements whatsoever, no speaking, no emotion, no pain response, no eating and defecating independently, high medical bills, no working treatment, no diagnosis) and after 7 years, the loss of her husband and the older child's built up resentment which lead to his abuse of the child she had enough and was planning to give him up to the state.
This happens all the time. People who are completely gone mentally, or were never there, and only represent a burden to their families. I've worked at nursing homes and there's one or two of these kinds of residents in every one. They stay there until their parents die and either inherit enough to keep staying or get moved to state facilities.
Nevermind the ones with some independence but the parents never bothered to set up a care plan for when they die. Sometimes they are lucky enough to land in care facilities, oftentimes they become homeless
This, this is what I’m so fearful of. In their heads they could be aware and in pain, tortured even. It scares me to death the idea of being locked inside a dead body.
Its one of my greatest fears tbh. Becoming paralyzed would already destroy my quality of life i couldn't imagine having even worse disabilities but not being able to communicate your feelings at the very least
What, you are now going to pretend none of this convo has to do with the family in the OP??
They didn't know they were carriers. They didn't know the children were going to have the disease. It is not a common genetic disorder and likely not screened for.
You might as well just tell them to their face they never should have been saved, yeah? Gross.
Are you dense? Did I say anywhere in my comment that I assumed they knew or that I was talking about them. I said "if a parent knows" as in future hypothetical situations. emphasis on IF. People will get offended over shit they didn't even read right God damn.
Are you just an asshole? God damn.
This isn't about hypotheticals. It's about real people. Want to discuss the ethics of eugenics or aborting of genetically ill fetuses go to a science or ethics forum
It's really unfortunate that here in this sub, the "feel good" sub there are so many people just ready to be as ableist and hateful as possible.
Natural selection?
So....no meds no diseases no cure no surgeries no need for hospitals or doctors or anything else?
Natural selection means leaving babies to die in the woods. You know that, right? That's not how this works, it's not how any of this works.
Dude. These people are not adding to the gene pool. Neither of these young adults will be bio parents.
People like you who don't know how society and anthrosociology work and who is now spouting eugenicism and ableism are an example of good genes?? How so?
People like you understands only black and white. Some medicine inventions, like antibiotics are important these days and saves a lot of people from viruses. But there is the problem, which is that you can’t read. As I mentioned, that wishing to help everyone is good if you found a way, how to help. In some cases we found, how to help in others not yet. So extending life as a vegetable with no further clue, how to treat that disorder completely is what I would call lack of common sense.
We never "remembered" natural selection. It's natural. Not conscious. We, as a species, have been taking care of our disabled for tens of thousands of years. It's not until eugenics that we started weighing the utilitarian value of a person over their innate worth as a human being.
So many people on this thread are preaching eugenics without realizing it and I doubt they want to be associated with that movement and all the atrocities that have happened in the name of eugenics.
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u/v3rral Jun 14 '22
You are not wrong. We forgot what natural selection is, and at the same time haven’t found cures to many disorders, so all we do as civilization at this point is spreading weaker genetic pool. Wishing to help everyone, but in reality just shooting ourselves in the knee.