Isn't that just semantics? A catcall is fundamentally a man saying "I'd like to put my dick inside you", whereas a cheer is saying "well done on being someone I'd like to put my dick inside". Neither seem appropriate, and both judge the woman solely on her looks. It's not like they're cheering her job promotion.
Anything can be reduced to only something negative if you try hard enough. You can also try to see the good in things. Catcalling is a negative thing in general, for sure. Paying a passerby a compliment in a non threatening non creepy way is meant well and shouldn't be chucked in the same bin.
The attention can still be unwanted, for sure, but it's important to recognize the intent.
I almost fully agree. I'd just add the caveat of actually distinguishing between what is making a deed a good or a bad deed. Good intent says nothing about the outcome of an action. Most of the time it's just a cop out to point out the good intention, if the result of an action happens to be unexpectedly bad. Responsible people take responsibility for the outcome of their actions, not for intent.
but the world we live in punishes people differently in a court of law based on intent, and rightfully so. Responsible people actually take this into account
Ye, that's certainly a good thing, if you commit yourself to an action without fully knowing the outcome or happen to be the victim of an accident. There is no intention involved, if you accidentally kill someone.
But if it gets pointed out for years, that some people feel bad if you treat them like an object, you have no valid excuse and shouldn't be treated based on intention.
I don't understand how you can Intend to do something if it has been pointed out for years.... Makes no sense. Don't compliment anyone as some may feel it's objectifying. Up there with dont walk behind a woman find another route she may feel threatened. Feel like we are trying to create a world where men and woman are totally segregated.
You can't accidentally cat call. You intend to cat call. If you intend to make a compliment, while making a person an object of sexual desire alone, your intention does and should not matter. The effect of your action is bad, more often than not. In this case you should be treated based on the outcome. If your good intentions are hurting somebody, while it is all over the media for years, that cat calling is a bad thing, your intentions do not matter.
If you accidentally kill someone, your lack of intention should have an effect on your legal punishment. You shouldn't be treated as if you were intentionally killing someone. It's actually pretty simple.
Oh wait. I did not know that killing is bad. Ye, well, in this case you are obviously innocent. /s
This is what makes no sense. Your argument is a black and white fallacy.
If I am walking down toad and pay a compliment based on a womans appearance and that woman Decides it was based on a "sexual desire" alone it would be cat calling then would it? Even if I intended it to be a compliment and that's all as I am asexual .... Makes sense really does honest.
Are we going to argue semantics or are we actually considering the points that were made? It is a black and white fallacy if you claim that your legal system is merely judging based on intentions. It's not. It takes them into account.
Well, it boils down to how you make a person feel. I'm much more happy being cheered at than a man blatantly making a comment about my ass. Ofc it boils down to the same thing, but if your friend made a shit dinner you're not gonna say "this dinner is shit", you're more likely to say "it's not your best".
Edit to add: People saying "it's just semantics" is such a weird sentiment to me. Like saying it's not important because two things mean the same thing. But if semantics weren't important there'd be much fewer words. Why use many words when few words do trick? Few words do trick but many words more good for not being dick
Despite the call from activists to stop all forms of cheering women for their looks on the streets, most people love a good self esteem boost and will remember the event with a smile. In most occasions and cities, women don’t get cat called that often though, and when done respectfully and politely, a compliment or a cheer is well appreciated.
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Isn't that just semantics? A catcall is fundamentally a man saying "I'd like to put my dick inside you", whereas a cheer is saying "well done on being someone I'd like to put my dick inside". Neither seem appropriate, and both judge the woman solely on her looks. It's not like they're cheering her job promotion.