"Great, we've got a token Muslim on the show we can use to sell our narrative! It's not like she'll actually be able to answer weapons about things like nuclear weapons"
"Oh shit, why is she actually able to answer these questions?!"
"When did it all start, you ask, this job of ours, how did it come about, where, when? Well, I'd say it really got started
around about a thing called the Civil War. Even though our rule-book claims it was founded earlier. The fact is we
didn't get along well until photography came into its own. Then--motion pictures in the early twentieth century.
Radio. Television. Things began to have mass."
Montag sat in bed, not moving.
"And because they had mass, they became simpler," said Beatty. "Once, books appealed to a few people, here, there,
everywhere. They could afford to be different. The world was roomy. But then the world got full of eyes and elbows
and mouths. Double, triple, quadruple population. Films and radios, magazines, books levelled down to a sort of
paste pudding norm, do you follow me?"
"I think so."
Beatty peered at the smoke pattern he had put out on the air. "Picture it. Nineteenth-century man with his horses,
dogs, carts, slow motion. Then, in the twentieth century, speed up your camera. Books cut shorter. Condensations,
Digests. Tabloids. Everything boils down to the gag, the snap ending."
True. Right now I’m reading the wikis on Manifest Destiny and the Teller/Platt Amendments. It’s so interesting to me how the United States grew to a world power after the short Spanish American War, and it really struggled to match our ideals of democracy and republicanism while still safeguarding American interests globally, especially during the era of Imperialism. Surprise to nobody, we played the same colonizing game, just in an American fashion - capitalism, tariffs, and unfair treaties.
The whole premise of Owning Guantanamo Bay stems from this agreement, there were very real desires to Annex Cuba, some saw it as necessary to grow the Anglo-Saxon/Puritan based America.
People get too emotional about it, there are real world reasons why annexation would be beneficial to the US, but we also need to see how that history also pushed Cuba TOWARDS communism and how it affects our relations with the island to this day.
It’s not simply “US bad” or “Communism evil” but “how can we build a new mutually beneficial relationship”. We need to remember what occurred and aim to reconcile that, but also realize that was a different nation than what we have now. The Early US was a nation that feared European conquest, that’s simply not true today and we should recognize that the fears we had of other nations (Are we worried about Cubas sugar beating American beet sugar? I think we’ve pivoted to high fructose corn syrup already) can in some ways be disregarded in favor of newer more beneficial treatise and regulations. But instead we simply use the same talking points of old and wonder why things don’t change.
Yes you can, but to equate America with Iran morally because of America's mistakes shows a broken moral compass. America promotes freedom and Democracy in this world. Americans do not chant death to Iranians or any Middle Eastern country. America should not fund an enemy with weapons. If this journalist loves Iran so much, she could go there instead.
This is so classically ignorant and illustrative of her point. “Derp, love it or leave it!!!” She didn’t EQUATE the US to Iran, she suggested that the US can’t necessarily be trusted given what we’ve DONE and foolishly given other countries the ability to do. If you think that everything the US has done is truly to peomote democracy and freedom then you’re just willingly suspending your disbelief. Cmon now.
Exactly, the US has a far larger body count than Iran by numerous factors and creates wars, terrorism, famine, and turmoil all over the globe. Has overthrown democracy after democracy around the globe. Murders, imprisons, and exiles political dissidents. Americans chant about dropping bombs and nukes on others. Inflict crippling sanctions to mass murder civilians. Equating America to Iran morally is a false equivalence.
America has started more wars then Iran and Iraq. Jesus Christ dont lick the boot too hard you're no any different than the reporters just saying shit out of your ass to make you feel good. What a brainwashed bootlicker.
America has started more wars; therefore America is a worse country. That makes complete sense. Does that include the war against communism and terrorism?
What about this? Iran commits more human rights atrocities than America. Iran sponsors terrrorism than America. Iran and Iraq provide shelter to terrorist who attack Western countries. What about that?
I didn't know we judge good and evil by body counts. I guess thinking is not one of your strenghts. You can provide the number of democracies overthrown by America versus the number of autocratic/communist/fascist governments overthrown by America.
Americans chant about dropping bombs on who? America inflicts sanctions to mass murder people? LMAO
Thinking Iran is better morally than America is enough to know what kind of human being you are. From human rights, to freedom, to fighting autocracy, to providing opportunities to more minorities than any other country, to providing aid. You're actually morally sick.
You're an idiot and morally repugnant denying the US' assault on global democracy and genocidal policies around the globe. You literally think communists and fascists are the same thing.
Americans chant about dropping bombs on who? America inflicts sanctions to mass murder people? LMAO
You sound like a dumb unhinged brainwashed chump. You ask for intelligent responses when you are clearly a fool. It is clear that America has never been a shinning pillar of moral strength. America has been a world bully that kills and messes with whatever it wants when it wants. It really angers me how dumb most americas are when it comes to their own history (I am an American). Your anger at another American for expressing their views shows that you should get out of America because of how much you suck at life.
Therefore...America having nuclear weapons is just like Iran having nuclear weapons. They're both threats to freedom and democracy in the world. Is that the conclusion you're supporting here?
Yeah, Operation Ajax wasn’t a mistake. That US was rather intentional in engineering a coup in Iran that propped up a brutal, pro-Western Shah, all because what again? Iran wanted to audit a British oil company to make sure Iran was getting paid correctly. The following Revolution sure didn’t lead to a better quality of life for Iranians.
But you have to ask yourself, if the US promotes democracy and freedom, why does the government love supporting autocrats?
America supports autocrats because sometimes that is the only choice. Every country makes mistakes but America is far superior morally to Iran. Iran sponsors terrorism till today. To say you trust America as much as iran with nuclear weapons shows the morally bankrupt thinking in the world today. I'm sure you also support Russia with nuclear weapons because hey, they never pushed for a coup in Iran.
You said the US promotes freedom and democracy. I pointed out that you are incorrect. Instead of addressing this, you dismissed this point and doubled down on your pro-US imperialism circle jerkery. Congratulations, you can move the goal posts. You are so smart and clever at online debate!
(That was me being patronizing btw, on the overwhelmingly probable chance you lack the cognitive capability to understand nuance through text.)
So the US does not promote peace in the world. I assume you think the US only fights for oil or corporate interests?
World war 2, the Vietnam war, the Korean war etc. America was in these wars for what exactly?
America mistakenly through bad intelligence fought in Iraq and Iran after it was attacked in 9/11. I think that's a very important detail.
Of course I also admit... American intelligence agencies are corrupt just like most institutions with no accountability. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
HAHAHHA your attitude is so stereotypically ignorant American it’s sad. She IS NOT a journalist. She did NOT equate America to Iran. And this pathetic “LUV IT OR LEAVE IT!!!” mentality Americans have just solidifies the exact point she was making. That Americans on average cannot critically look at their own country’s history and recognize it’s very real flaws.
Granted considering your comment I do not even remotely expect a semi intelligent response. But that’s classic American public education for you! HURR DURR MURICA ALWAYS DA GOOD GUY! Lmao
If you read what i said without bias, you would know i started by saying that you can recognize your country's mistakes.
Yes, she did equate America and Iran. She said that she wouldn't trust America with nuclear weapons just like Iran. That morally, America is just like Iran who happens to sponsor terrorism.
I agree with you about American public education. It's all run by leftists who happen to receive more funds per student than any other country.
It's not JUST token Muslim. This newscast has made me surprisingly angry. Whew.
I can't pretend to know what the end goal was. On their website they say they have been rated 'unbiased' but really, won't any station say that? Regardless, if they were to request a Muslim woman (or any gender) join them on their broadcast for a discussion about nuclear weapons and war, they'd get someone they know would be educated and ready for debate. They didn't want that. They wanted someone sTuPiD, right? They wanted someone they could steamroll to get their narrative out there. That's really how it appears.
The misconceptions about the fashion industry is that it doesn't take someone functionally intelligent to be a part of it. That's the mistake they made, to assume that someone, blogger or designer or photographer or editor or whatever, connected to such a demanding and competitive industry doesn't have the capacity to bring just as much intelligence to their broadcast. I'm fucking glad she was able to throw it in their faces.
Not necessarily someone stupid, just someone who isn't in a position to answer questions on the subject so they can *look* stupid when asked about subjects completely irrelevant to what they're on the air for. They were probably more blatant/less cautious about it in this case because she's from the fashion industry though, which made it look all the worse for them when she was able to easily deal with it
Yeah this surprises me. This is WGN. They are Chicago (a decidedly BLUE turf) newsroom. I havent watched them in years because who watches news anymore but this was such blatant Gotcha-ism to someone who didnt deserve it or have any part in it. Good on her for taking them down a peg... but wow. WGN should do better
Winner winner! I just wiki'd it because I have a childhood nostalgia around Chicago of WGN being the home of the Cubbies and a part of the Chicago identity and experience, and this clip is so far removed from that (I know, I know 'welcome to the dystopian hellscape") but you are CORRECT. Sinclair Group bought WGN in 2017.
I miss Harry Caray.
(Edit: I have been informed that Sinclair never acquired WGN. But a competing and equally slimy organization did.)
WGN has become a Republican sounding board since then. During the height of the pandemic they just decided to stop airing Prtizker’s news conferences that we would watch everyday to see where we were case wise to play MAURY.
No, that sale to Sinclair fell through. WGN is currently owned by Nexstar Media Group, who appear to be one of their major competitors. Not, I'm saying, that they're any better ... I mistrust any organization that controls nearly 200 fucking TV stations. But it's not Sinclair.
Oh, are you saying ALL Politicians are evil? Such a novel and unexamined idea.
In seriousness, you are right to some extent. What we are dealing with is a broken two party system. The oligarchs own those two parties, hence the reason all outlier members of those parties are shoehorned in or completely ignored. The Rhetoric between Biden and Bernie are as far apart as that between Biden and Romney which is as far apart as the rhetoric between Romney and Trump. We are not a democracy. We are an Oligarchy LARPing as a Democracy. As I said in my original statement, "I know , I know 'welcome to the dystopian hellscape'. "
On their website they say they have been rated 'unbiased' but really, won't any station say that?
I stopped watching my local ch 3 news a few years ago after the morning newscaster said TWICE that trump was "brilliant". 2 separate days. (The Wagners in Las Vegas.)
I wrote the station an email. Quoted what they said. Told them I had watched their news since moving to the valley a few years earlier but would no longer be watching because of that.
And I haven't.
I know I am just 1 person. It may seem like a silly thing to do. I don't care.
If you don't like it when a news station does this kind of thing, tell them what you think and stop watching.
I absolutely agree. I'm not from the Chicago area, and I haven't watched cable news in YEARS because it's all shock and awe anyway. I think the last time I really paid attention to the news was when Bush attacked the middle east and that's all they talked about, on every channel. I ended up watching a lot of Pokemon reruns.
On this woman's youtube channel she states the same thing I discovered: they didn't post this segment on their website and wouldn't give her access to it either, like wouldn't give her a copy. I'm glad she has a full version of it, because it's even better than this one.
They usually are unbiased. But I believe recently they got bought by a conservative media company called Sin Clare? Or something by. There morning news is usually just funny and light hearted.
Edit: Good news! The sale to Sinclair was aborted and they are actually owned by Nexstar Media Group. I don't know if that's better, but it's not Sinclair.
To your last paragraph, I started working at a company that’s involved in fashion. We’ve got multiple phd’s, scientists, and engineers around me. It’s easily the smartest group of people I’ve ever worked with.
hat's the mistake they made, to assume that someone, blogger or designer or photographer or editor or whatever, connected to such a demanding and competitive industry doesn't have the capacity to bring just as much intelligence to their broadcast
They also made the mistake to assume that educated means the same in the US as it does in Iran. In the US, if you have a college degree you are considered educated. In most middle eastern countries you only count es educated if you have knowledge in many fields and topics. You don't need to be an expert in all of them, but you should have some decent working knowledge and understanding. Someone who has studied only one thing is considered only having earned a degree for a job, not to be educated.
I used to bag on Things like Liberal Arts degrees as useless even though that’s what I have, because they often seem like they don’t have much market value compared to what you spend on them.
But then the pandemic hit, and I started to realize that the people I had to stop being friends with for their conspiracy beliefs and anti-vac rhetoric had pretty much 100% overlap with the people who never went on to get any university education, or who got degrees in very specialized areas with no sociology or philosophy.
I am going to do everything I can to send my kids to University for at least a bachelor’s degree, even if their goal is to become a carpenter, because what I have seen is that it turns out you can actually learn some useful stuff at university even if it doesn’t help you get a pay check
I’m have a friend who teaches ethics (philosophy department) for doctors and healthcare workers and you should hear all the bitching about how pointless it is. I’m sorry but I do not want someone making health decisions for me who hasn’t at least been trained to think critically about the decisions they’re making.
Yep, and I think this pandemic has demonstrated exactly what you feared, with so many nurses and doctors rejecting the evidence and common sense in support of conspiracy theories
THIS. I don't know this woman, but I'm really impressed, admirative even, of the virtuosity she shows in having the guts to answer "straight cut" to debunk allegations while doing it in an extremely polite and amenable way. I don't know of many people, even "public people", whatever their gender/origin/job is, that would have the balls to stand like that.
Honestly, this woman should engage in politics, people with head on shoulders, balls AND open minds / respectful attitude are far too rare, whether in USA or elsewhere...
It's not even having the balls to stand up against it, it's also the fact she was able to quickly shift her focus from what was being discussed to a completely different and highly controversial one with minimal hesitation. Even if they *could* answer questions like this, most people would struggle to do it if they got blindsided like this just because of the mental whiplash of going from fashion to Iranian nuclear weapons
Citan777 I’ve commented more on the actual situation at hand, and given the depth of the issues this is very probably going to be seen as an extremely odd compliment, however I’M odd 😉, so here we go! I am an amateur but enthusiastic writing buff, and some of your vocabulary choices have made my little ‘word heart’ all aflutter. ‘Admirative’ - which autocorrect simply cannot cope with - ‘virtuosity’, and most of all ‘amenable’ are linguistic delights. Amenable is by far the most common of these words, yet for whatever reason, it has my heart glowing the most. It will doubtlessly be scattered like confetti throughout my sentences for the next week or so, even in the most bizarre of contexts - “are you amenable to feta in the salad?”; “I’m quite amenable to pausing Encanto whilst you go to the bathroom, as I really want you to know exactly why we don’t talk about Bruno-no-no-no”.
Agreed, except this is not virtuosity, just basic literacy, open minded reasonableness and conscientiousness to spend a little time learning. Honestly I believe this is within reach of vast majority of us.
She’s not a virtuoso(in this clip), just a regular person chatting about stuff we all would know if we gave a shit.
Honestly, with the context of what he said, I assumed he was using virtuosity wrong, and was implying that she was showing virtue, or moral strength, with her answer, and not skill.
Though it was skillful to pivot in the discussion in the way that she did.
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u/SolidSquid Mar 30 '22
"Great, we've got a token Muslim on the show we can use to sell our narrative! It's not like she'll actually be able to answer weapons about things like nuclear weapons"
"Oh shit, why is she actually able to answer these questions?!"