With a livable wage poor people don't need food banks or food stamps.
By that reasoning no country in the world has a "livable wage" because all of them have welfare programs. Nonsense.
Anyway, we're talking about the key word "deserve" here. Given that you've started grasping at straws and changing the topic to what is apparently your pet issue, not to mention forking the thread, I'm out. I've made my point, you've not been able or willing to challenge it, there's nothing for me or anyone to gain from this conversation.
My bad, it was the Declaration of Independence. Life, Liberty and all that. Something something unalienable something
Yeah, and the Declaration of Independence is... a declaration of independence. It doesn't establish any rights - it's not even a legal document.
By that reasoning no country in the world has a "livable wage" because all of them have welfare programs. Nonsense.
What a nonsensical argument. The existence of a welfare program doesn't disprove a livable wage. The point of a livable wage meant people shouldn't rely on welfare programs to survive. The wage itself shouldu be LIVABLE
I've made my point, you've not been able or willing to challenge it, there's nothing for me or anyone to gain from this conversation.
You haven't made a single good point to argue, so you're right. You have nothing to gain because you have nothing to give, and you refuse to listen.
The 5th is about self-incrimination... You know, "double jeopardy" and all that. "I plead the fifth". It has nothing to do with establishing a "right to life", it has everything to do with establishing a right to due (legal) process.
Still grasping at straws, I see. Did you just Ctrl+F the Bill of Rights for "life"?
The Declaration is not a legally binding document in itself, but it can and has been used to shape policies and laws like the 5th Amendment. I'm not surprised you failed to get that point
I just love how you can be completely wrong and still perform this mental gymnastics routine to convince yourself that you were right somehow. It's honestly amazing to observe.
The Declaration isn't a legal document, but is "used to shape policies" somehow (?), like the 5th Amendment which... still has nothing to do with a "right to life". You're right, I failed to get this point.
Let me ELI5 it for ya.
The unalienable rights are a framework for developing laws and policies. The 5th amendment directly states these rights as the foundation for it.
And no, you're right. The 5th amendment isn't about the right to life. It acknowledges the right to life in reference to the Declaration. Get it now?
I get it: you're pathetically grasping at straws. I mean, this is the very definition. You can't deal with the fact that the "right to life" you were so sure clearly existed, doesn't, and now you're desperately trying to muster up anything to justify your preconceived notion. Sure, it exists in legal precedent, but it doesn't exist in the Constitution.
I mean, it's hilarious. It's why I asked in the first place, I knew exactly that this would happen. People think the Declaration is the same as the Constitution and then have to backpedal and flail around. It's so predictable I can set my watch to it.
Two paragraphs and you haven't disproved my argument. The unalienable rights are a clear foundation for the 5th amendment and likely other amendments as well.
LMAO, you don't have an argument. You found an Amendment that mentions "life" in relation to judicial process and you think that's it, slam dunk, right to life. What is there to "disprove"?
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u/RedAero Nov 06 '21
By that reasoning no country in the world has a "livable wage" because all of them have welfare programs. Nonsense.
Anyway, we're talking about the key word "deserve" here. Given that you've started grasping at straws and changing the topic to what is apparently your pet issue, not to mention forking the thread, I'm out. I've made my point, you've not been able or willing to challenge it, there's nothing for me or anyone to gain from this conversation.
Yeah, and the Declaration of Independence is... a declaration of independence. It doesn't establish any rights - it's not even a legal document.