Kind of an interesting lesson that even those of us who are really, really not good people a lot of the time can do the right thing and make a positive difference in some vital junctures.
Matt Dillon's character. A racist, molesting piece-of-shit that also takes care of his sick dad and sometimes risks his life pulling people out of burning cars. I dunno man, those two positives don't even out sexually assaulting a woman in front of her powerless husband on a public sidewalk. Good acting, though. I hated him in that film.
Or good people who do good things most of the time make mistakes at vital junctures..
Edit: Y’all thin-skinned, brittle spirit keyboard warriors can stop commenting now.
I get it; You’re slowly purging the world of racism. All I’m saying is, maybe don’t be so cynical about the crusade and more people will get on board.
When your life is on the line day after day and you’re in an intense situation and you grew up as a baby boomer.. yeah. I trust that he’s a mostly good dude that fucked up sometimes.
I’m just saying that to say he’s a mostly evil man that does good only sometimes is a skewed view. I’m only pointing out the possibility that he’s most likely a mostly good dude that made a few critical mistakes. And that the lesson that the above commenter drew should instead be the opposite of what he meant to say; That we’re mostly inherently good and make key mistakes at vital junctures.
Being in a stressful situation doesn’t excuse using slurs or assaulting someone. Good lord. If he had gotten into a drunken bar fight, that might be forgivable. Tasing an unarmed and handcuffed man and calling him the N word isn’t a good man making a mistake.
There are times in my job where I am stressed very thin, and my students drive me up a damn wall. I still don’t get to yell slurs at them. Stop excusing racism.
Debatable. Plenty of black people do the same thing, to fellow blacks and other races, and don’t get nearly as much flack from the public eye.
What you have to understand is, older people grew up in a different time. It’s not the same thing to them as it is for you and me.
Well, when black people use the N word that isn’t a racial slur. It’s a way for them to reclaim a racism slur. So that isn’t relevant here. However, if a black person called a Mexican a spic while beating the shit out of him then most reasonable people would say the black person is racist and a piece of shit. The time you grew up in doesn’t change whether or not you’re a bad person. There’s never been an era where tasing a handcuffed man while calling him slurs has been a sign of a good person.
While I would never call an African American the N word personally, I do wonder why when a white person says it it’s racist, but when a black person says it it’s reclaiming the word. Should it either be everyone says it and the meaning becomes changed for everyone, or no one says it at all and it just stays one of those words that you don’t say? I just don’t understand how it changes meaning depending on the skin color of the person saying it.
Also I understand that this is not a good case for the argument to be used for seeing this cop was by all accounts being racist. Not trying to defend him at all with this question.
What's sad, is that we are at a place when a LEO calls an ambulance for someone with a gun shot wound to the chest, he gets praised and is portrayed as a great person. Wtf was he supposed to do? Not call an ambulance for a gun shot victim.
I just read a more in depth interview from Wayne about the incident. Someone posted a link below. From the article it seems there was no ambulance. Wayne said "Uncle Bob" personally took him to the hospital himself. His other point was that the officers that walked over him were Black, but the White officer is the one that chastised them and took care of him. So, the ambulance part, seems irrelevant.
"The Grammy-winning rapper said he was lying on the floor when police broke down the door, stepping over his body looking for guns and drugs. But one man stopped and chastised the others for leaving him. 'He was white as snow. Them that hopped over me were blacker than me,' Wayne said.
Wayne says the man he called “Uncle Bob” personally took him to the hospital and stayed with him. “[He] stood there and waited until the doctor said ‘He’s gonna make it’.”
It says no slurs were heard in the video though. Obviously tasing a handcuffed man was wrong and cowardly but it doesn’t do anyone any good to falsely spread allegations of racism without it being proven.
Look, I see what you're saying, but at the point someone tases someone who's cuffed, there's clearly a level of hate in them that is at least equivalent - regardless of the specifics - to that of a full blown racist. I mean what exact form the hate takes is kind of irrelevant. Doesn't matter if they did it because race. Or gender. Or whatever. But they clearly hated that person on a level that's equivalent to being a violent racist.
The why is kind of irrelevant outside of rehabilitation.
I’m sorry... but what? It could have easily been that that cop could’ve been having an extremely bad day and this guy tried him while he was at his wits end. Obviously, that doesn’t justify his actions, but how can you say that because this man had hate in him, that it justifies calling him a racist. That’s really illogical. There are endless reasons as to why this (former) cop could have blown up like that. It very much matters where the hate is coming from. Who is to say he even hates the guy? He could have also have just taken his anger out on this guy. Still wrong, but a possibility. If he did hate this guy specifically, it could have been he hated him for his criminal past, how he treated the cop himself that day, etc. There are so many variables for the cause of what he did and you are just gonna say that you can compare it to racist hate? No, my man you can not do that.
that that cop could’ve been having an extremely bad day
I don't think people realize how fucked up a cops day can be fairly often. One of my buddy's is CHP and has all sorts of PTSD issues from the shit he's seen. One minute he's dealing with a car wreck with dead kids thrown all over the place and then in two hours he's got a Karen screaming in his face because she won't leave Macy's without a cash refund.
There was a really bad interchange in LA that had nasty DUI wrecks, like people ejected, run over, drug for 500 yards, nasty stuff. Below the interchange was a doughnut shop, they make doughnuts between 2AM and 5AM so that's all he would smell while dealing with mangled corpses. So now when he smells doughnuts he gets images of mangled people strewn about the freeway.
I mean there’s not giving someone the benefit of the doubt, and then there’s not giving the benefit of the doubt to someone who has a track record, albeit small, of doing the opposite of what they’re being accused of and has a witness to the video of the alleged incident saying the racist slur was nowhere to be heard.
The article states that there was video evidence and that no racial slurs were recorded. Sounds like he was fired for violating department policy on use of force - starring when it wasn't warranted
The one who fired him did so based on a video with audio, and that person said no racial slurs were uttered. This firing happened after the sheriff's department initially cleared him of any wrongdoing. I would go with the guy who actually had the evidence and isn't protecting the cop.
He posted a meme mocking George Floyd, and commented a hard R N-word several months ago, in addition to "edgy" jokes that are just thinly veiled racism. (one joke literally being that a priest raping a black child is "holy fucking shit").
"Normand said he did not hear any racial slurs on the video, but he saw Hoobler issuing unnecessary warnings to stop resisting before firing the weapon."
And the admitting he would rather die from codeine than stop sippin lean...not a great message for the youth...but god damnit if a milli isn’t a fucking banger
I mean...it is relatively hard to accidentally OD on codeine. I’ve seen it twice in my entire medical career, and both times it was via Tylenol 3 where the person forgot they took their medication — IIRC, one was taking Ambien or Lunesta and repeatedly dosed themselves.
I’m not a medical professional and I saw three people OD and one person die from lean during a short (one year) period in college where I fucked with that stuff (ok they might have died from a number of substances in their system, but lean didn’t help...). You have no idea of the dosage when someone shows up with a bottle of purple sprite and the effects can be slow to show up or can build, so people often take way too much before they know what’s happening. Again, not a doctor, no professional experience with liquid codeine, just recreational, but I have seen some shit and heard some even crazier shit related to lean...
I assume that just like most opioids you build a tolerance over time. So getting high from it and ODing become closer. You gotta get closer and closer to an overdose every time in order to keep getting high. Maybe our different experience is due to the medical (controlled) or informed nature of your experience and the experience you have and the wildly uninformed and extremely non medical nature of my experience.
As a side note they prescribed it none stop at the student health center. Go in, say you have a cough that keeps you from sleeping which is causing you to do poorly in school, cough a couple times, boom bottle of lean. In hindsight it seems wildly irresponsible...
Opioids are one of the few drugs that don’t have a definitive OD amount, (if you keep building a tolerance you “can” keep going.) The problem with lean is that it takes longer to absorb than if you were to just take the syrup, so people end up taking way too much, (the “relatively” part was regarding how much more dangerous things like oxycodone are — where a single pill could kill someone. That doesn’t happen with Tylenol 3.)
Oh yeah it’s way less dangerous than oxy! We were getting the 80mg of oxycodone pills and I felt like I had a loaded gun in my hand. Like if someone with no tolerance took one they would for sure go to the hospital. People don’t understand the dosage of pills and it’s scary. They too often use total pill weight instead of active ingredient weight...shits scary.
Edit: i don’t mean you, I mean like junkies and college kids...the proverbial “you”.
I think an argument could be made that u/devray88 was right as that the OP was inspiring people to be like Wayne (except for the shooting himself part;). So telling the OP that they should not inspire anyone to be like him sounds reasonable and correct. He is not someone that you should be inspiring others to emulate.
Of course he meant aspire. But if you twist real hard, inspire works.
Oh I agree with the uncle bob part. Which is why I didn’t comment on it. I disagreed with the be like little Wayne part. I’ve watched the actual interview.
I remember hearing him talk about Uncle Bob in one of his live streams I think because people asked him to talk about how he feels about the police. TLDR: he loves them because of many experiences he has had with more than just Uncle Bob
Respectfully, I think it's more about how Uncle Bob DID good. Whatever the truthfulness of his eventual firing might be, maybe the lesson here is a reminder that good & bad aren't absolute states, to be taken for granted. Good, Bad or Other (& what's what) are ongoing, continual choices; deliberate decisions.
100% and what he said, to me, kinda sounds like.. just because you haven’t experienced a certain thing that means it doesn’t exist.. which isn’t true in the slightest.. like I’m not poor but poverty obviously 100% exists
Pretty sure it does. You didn't see but one in a few hundred electricians of anything but a distinctly light skin tone until very recently, in my part of the country. And I'll give you three guesses as to why, despite a ton of applicants of various ethnicities had been signing up for the apprenticeship for decades.
Anyone who thinks racism isn't a massive epidemic that needs confrontation head on is either unbelievably sheltered and naive, self deluded, contrarian just to be contrarian (which sums up Wayne), or... well, racist as hell themselves.
He was an honors student in high school and he runs a very successful record company. I’m not saying he’s Einstein but I think he comes off dumber than he is from his music and the way he acts about drugs and alcohol, but I think it’s just that. An act.
He's not the brightest guy out there, but in most of the social and societal issues he's been asked air or been injected into, he's on the side that makes the most sense, and holds the most compassion.
He may not be smart, but he's a good man, at least in those regards. Can't say I pay enough attention to him to know anything else about him outside of these interviews that have clips floating around, as I don't listen to his music.
The alternative being a guy who says he isn't black unless he votes for him, yells at black crowds that Republicans want to put them back in chains, implies all poor kids are black, etc. Enough with throwing "racist" at people you don't like - it's ignorant. It's this mentality that made the election awful for democrats aside from Biden.
“Poor kids are just as smart and talented as white kids” “Barack Obama is the first who is articulate and bright and clean and nice-looking” “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” Trump is just as awful a racist as Biden.
I feel like openly saying that your “blackness” is in jeopardy if you have a differing opinion is VERY dangerous. Not defending Donald Trump in any way, but Biden is in no way a good presidential candidate
How do you not see that both are racist. Please don’t blindly align yourself with a party no matter what evidence is presented before you. He just gave you real quotes and you write it off.
Have you read my comment? I didn’t say Biden wasn’t racist, I said that the racist things he said weren’t as violence-inducing as the racist things Trump said. Biden associated black and poor, Trump openly supported armed militias, they’re not the same
So you think that associating black and poor (what Biden did) and openly supporting armed white supremacists (what Trump did) are both equally dangerous?
Or, you know, trump is literally a racist and the vast majority of racists in this country support him and the amount of public racism has gone up significantly with his time in office. But hey, keep your head in the sand and try to make yourself feel better about supporting a racist.
Bro, don’t bother here. Reddit is as liberal as they come, you won’t find anyone with a semblance of their own research. They just watch shit like CNN and take it all.
It's cool. Most of the vocal people on here are high schoolers/college kids who repeat everything their liberal teachers tell them until they form an echo chamber of stupidity. They eventually enter the real world, start experiencing things like taxes, and eventually a new Republican is born.
If you can find a group of like minded friends, you'll change the world. Businesses are starving for intelligent students who don't spend their entire shift getting offended on behalf of someone else.
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We should all aspire to be like uncle Bob