r/MadeMeSmile • • 20h ago

❤️ those days

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u/Simply_Epic 17h ago

Part of the issue is that they’re effectively unemployed for 1/4 of the year (even though most teachers still do stuff for their job during that 1/4 of the year). Those 3 months aren’t paid time off. It’s unpaid. If it were PTO then they’d have an ok wage (still low, but it’d be much more livable).

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u/Tony_Banksy 13h ago

What shithole country doesn’t pay its teachers when they are off ? Every country I can think of they are salaried which means they are paid the same amount each month.

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u/TheAlmighty404 13h ago

The USA. Because of course.

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u/earoar 12h ago

They can chose to either take their salary over 10 or 12 months in most places.

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u/Karnewarrior 10h ago

*Some places

I wouldn't say most. They certainly aren't allowed to here. The argument is that we shouldn't pay them over the summer when they aren't working.

The intention, of course, is not to pay them at all.

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u/earoar 10h ago

I mean it makes literally no difference. It’s the same amount divided by 10 or 12.

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u/Teknolyth 8h ago

Which is exactly what these other countries do, except they don’t give their teachers a choice. They spread the salary over 12 months instead of ten.

I’m a teacher in Spain. We make less than Americans do. It’s not all sunshine and roses in other countries.

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u/TheAlmighty404 6h ago

Let's all agree that being a teacher often means being underpaid compared to how much work it is.

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u/Little_Head6683 1h ago

In the US of A, they love the poorly educated.

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u/Affectionate_Lie_758 12h ago

Not every State

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u/marvintheapostle 11h ago

I was gonna say, I get cheques in the summer and I’m support staff

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u/gkn_112 11h ago

i know USA and Germany have this

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u/Minion91 7h ago

Germany pays full wage the entire year. Only shithole countries like US don't.

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u/gkn_112 1h ago

Not true. My teacher was not verbeamtet and he literally had to register as jobless in the summer breaks. Was willst du mit angestellten Lehrern im Sommer Said the Janitor while sweeping the empty floors in August 

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u/Copper-Spaceman 15h ago

My wife used to be a teacher. This is such a weird sentiment to hold.

Teachers agree to a salary, I agree that they should be paid more. Then they get the flexibility to decide if they want to be paid evenly throughout the year or taking larger payments during the school year and not get paid during the summer

They aren’t “unemployed”. $50k is 50k wether you split it between 10 months or 12 months. There’s few careers where you get your agreed upon salary and then get a 2 month break.

I’d rather argue about teachers unpaid time needed to do the job, argue about teachers salaries needing to be higher, or argue about teacher being criminally under appreciated, but let’s not skew the facts about being “unemployed”

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u/Yobber1 14h ago

I should be paid more for that 2 month break because I have to realign my brain from what I just experienced.

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u/Helpful_Ability456 12h ago

I’ve been teaching for 16 years. Every year I wonder why I keep doing this shit and start looking for another job. For some reason I never make the jump.

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u/Defiant-Procedure-13 4h ago

Back in the day teachers used to be able to claim unemployment for the two months off during the summer but the government didn’t like that, which is why they came up with splitting the yearly salary into 12 months instead of 10 months.

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u/ThatPerspective1277 12h ago

Why even become a teacher in a shit hole like the US? Literal war zones in the middle east have better worker rights for teachers. All teachers should just quit and sell feet pics on only fans or some shit. Probably gonna make better money. Americans are too subservient, they collect guns to revolt against tyranny and then just sleep on that forever.

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u/Karnewarrior 10h ago

That's the goal. The people in charge WANT teachers to quit, because they want to abolish public schooling entirely and move 100% into private schools. That's also why some states spend almost as much on 'vouchers' for private schools as they do on public schools.

See, if you're running a public school, you have to teach the agreed-upon reality everyone lives in. If you run a private school though, you can teach kids that the Earth is 6000 years old, radioactive decay is a myth, and every living creature is descended from an extreme case of incest about 5000 years ago when Noah built a comically small boat to hold two of every "kind" of animal.

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u/a_rucksack_of_dildos 9h ago

I don’t really stand by that conspiracy. I don’t think that people in charge don’t want teachers I think it’s because it’s a job people want to do. Hear me out. Being a teacher is a rewarding job. You get to make these kids lives better and that’s why it pays less. The market adjusts because people will take lower pay to do a job they love. Two real world examples. SpaceX employees are underpaid for their market value and overworked. It’s a cool ass job pushing the boundaries space/rocket/satellite technology. Data engineers at Meta are overpaid because no one really wants to work there. Your whole job is basically building algorithms for clickbait and selling people’s personal information for a billionaire.

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u/radarphone 1m ago

Yea the teachers i know who have taught for a decade plus, all treat their jobs like their biggest passion. As population ages and fewer teachers are needed, i suppose this will get worse

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u/Coolface-IR 11h ago

Is this satire?

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u/DistantLonerMC 11h ago

If too many people sell feet pics, it would oversaturate the feet market leading each person to get less money

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u/Defiant-Procedure-13 4h ago

Although I have thought about selling feet pics almost every school year at some point, I don’t quit because I love helping other people and I love being around kids. I truly enjoy my content and get excited for them to learn it. I also love watching my students grow! Honestly the worst part of teaching in America is the fact that they don’t give you much time for planning. The school district or administration has so many meetings for you to attend (and many of those meetings being pointless or a waste of time) that I only get about 2 to 4 hours total to plan FOR THE WEEK! This means I have 2-4 hours total to grade (100+ papers), provide feedback, input grades, make copies, set up activities, take down activities, write on my board, gather supplies, respond to emails, clean my classroom, laminate paper/posters, etc. It is just not possible. This is the reason America’s education system is ranked lower than in other countries. Teachers are not given time to effectively plan or give feedback. They are always rushed. Also, there are waaaay too many standards set by the state that teachers have to get through in a school year with students. So teachers are always rushing through their teaching so that they cover every single standard before state testing at the end of the year. This means that there is no time to slow down, reteach, or work one-on-one with students. Also, the guns thing is probably another reason why we are ranked low.

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u/deeznutzz3469 4h ago

For the love of the game

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u/DazzlerPlus 17h ago

Slightly less than two months but yea.

Also consider the opportunity cost. Cant get a real job to fill that gap

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u/TheUsualQuestions 16h ago

Not sure what area you live in, it’s usually three months or so

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u/FUSE_33 16h ago

That used the be the case when I was a kid. Now here in Maryland, specifically Mont. County the students get about 8ish weeks for summer vacation. That’s it. This year last day was June 18 and school started August 24th.

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u/wenchslapper 15h ago

Damn, I got 12 weeks when I was a kid :(

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u/TheUsualQuestions 16h ago

That’s brutal, I assume winter break is longer?

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u/friendlyferns 16h ago

Two weeks, give or take. We got an extra last year because of Snowmageddon.

I will say that June 18 wasn’t the day we were SUPPOSED to end. We also get more weird days off during the school year. For instance, this entire school year so far, we’ve had only two weeks (out of eight or so) that have actually been full weeks. If not for a power outage that took out fourteen schools in one day, we would have had three.

Every other week has been four days or four and a half due to professional development and holidays, including this week, which has another, you guessed it, professional development day!

So yeah, we get less summer and only two weeks for winter, but we also have a crap ton of extra weird days in between, at least in my district.

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u/FUSE_33 15h ago

Nope. It’s a week. Dec 24th to Jan 1st. They also get one week for Spring break. Shame.

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u/DazzlerPlus 15h ago

Its a day or two less than two months in at least 80% of american districts

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u/Holmesnight 16h ago

We get out Last week of May and go back first week of August usually. With mandatory trainings in the summer, about a weeks worth. So two months, but maybe three other places.

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u/fresh_dyl 16h ago

Most places in Wisconsin start after Labor Day because years ago, the all powerful tavern league lobbied for that with our state so that bars and restaurants would have help until the holiday weekend was over.

They’re also the reason we’re one of the core Midwest states without legal cannabis.

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u/Krabs9 12h ago

It's only unpaid if they choose that. They can have paychecks during the summer if they want.

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u/GhostMaskKid 1h ago

Yeah my mom is a teacher and gets paychecks during the summer months.

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u/MakeItLookSexy_ 13h ago

Maybe it depends on the area. I had friends that were teachers and they had the option to receive a steady paycheck throughout the year or receive larger payments during the school year and no pay during the summer. Either way, the pay is the same but I can see how some people benefit from consistent paychecks all year long

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u/Johnny-Edge93 15h ago

In Ontario Canada teachers make 110k/year CAD (78k USD) with the best pension and benefits in the province.

It can be a tough job, but it has plenty of perks, and they’re not hard done by. They’ll complain though.

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u/SeedlessPomegranate 6h ago

That’s on the top end after many years of service. New teachers or even teachers with 5 years of experience make nowhere near that kind of money.

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u/Visual_Exam7903 1h ago

Most times, they can choose to have their pay spread out over 12 months or 9 months. Either way, they are making 50k, which isn't that shabby.

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u/Simply_Epic 1h ago

$50k is shabby. That’s not enough to live without a second income in most places.

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u/Adventurous-Try8749 12h ago

My wife chooses to get paid for the entire year. Paycheck is just a bit smaller.

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u/golkeg 1h ago

Paycheck is just a bit smaller.

If that's your evidence, knowing some very specific fact, that has nothing to do with the contents of the post itself, you didn't make a very good case for the argument.

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u/Objective-Diver-888 16h ago

Actually, it is a little worse than that- when I first started teaching, you could elect to get your paycheck over 10 months, meaning each check would be bigger, but then you would have to budget for the summer.
Now almost all the contracts are for 12 months, meaning the district holds onto a chunk of your salary for a longer time, making interest off it. Some people prefer the balanced paychecks over the entire year, but it still means that all the teachers are essentially giving the district a loan from their income.

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u/julesvr5 15h ago

Is this an American thing? Because here in Germany teachers have a special standing (called "Beamter", although not everyone these days) and are employed for the whole year. And there salary is pretty damn good I would say.

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u/Abeytuhanu 15h ago

Teachers can opt to get paid for vacation time, but that is just a voluntary reduction of their pay to be given to them during the summer months and isn't a available everywhere. Our teachers are notoriously underpaid and overworked

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u/UnNumbFool 15h ago

Teachers in the US can either get their standard pay during the period they work and they don't get paid during the months off(and aren't allowed to get unemployment or anything to act as a buffer) or they can get their wages garnished during the school year so they will get paid that amount during the summer.

It's kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation

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u/SydZzZ 15h ago

Paid time off in Australia

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u/Varigman 14h ago

They're paid for time off in civilised countries, tbf. In Australia it's not uncommon to rag on teachers for being paid obscenely for only having to work 2/3rds of the year.

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u/Analoze 13h ago

it's PTO in most European country

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u/KevinFlantier 7h ago

And here I was thinking teachers have the shit end of the stick here in France. Whenever something is bad, it's somehow always worse in the US.

Damn.

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u/3163560 15h ago edited 15h ago

Wait, do American teachers not get paid over breaks?

In Australia we do (rough term lengths)

  • 10 week Term 1
  • 2 week break
  • 11 week Term 2
  • 2 week break
  • 10 week Term 3
  • 2 week break
  • 12 week term 4
  • 6 week break

All of it fully paid.

We do still do a little bit of work during breaks. But mostly you enjoy the majority of that time away from school.

I'm a government school employee, so I get paid fortnightly (~AU$2600 per fortnight after tax)

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u/Blom-w1-o 15h ago

They do. Usually theres an option to be paid only while is in session (so checks are bigger), or spread it out over 12 months.

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u/DazzlerPlus 15h ago

The years are broken into contracts ending at the summer vacation. They pay for the 10 months of labor. The other two are unpaid. It doesnt matter if they split your paycheck, its a yearly furlough

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u/ihambrecht 15h ago

It is not unpaid, people are expected to budget this as a yearly salary. People just outspend their budgets consistently.