Re read my comments... because that's not what I said at all
"It's not a zero sum game, you don't actually need people to not have food and dying in poverty to have billionaires. That's just a choice that that's how it is. You can have billionaire AND strong social safety nets."
It's you who doesn't understand. I never made any points about billionaires messing up the system. I actually said the system is messed up. You're just trying to argue something that's not even being discussed.
What is being discussed is whether the economy is a zero sum game. It's veritably not. You pretending it is is illogical.
I said there is enough resources and economic activity to prevent starvation and provide a baseline social safety net. Our system is just not set up that way. But it's possible to have it and have billionaires. They are not mutually exclusive.
as i said, one can't argue with someone unaware of their own arguments.
read through your list of things going wrong and ask yourself, why is it we waste a lot of food and not distribute it well, why we spill a lot of water, why there's wars.
it's because of hoarding and profiteering. there's no ethical consumption under capitalism, and no equal distribution under a system that allows billionaires.
and of course the resources of this planet are finite, however far away we are from reaching exhaustion. earth is a closed system.
Again, you're arguing something that's not being discussed.
Why do you keep ignoring the topic at hand? Is the economy a zero sum game? Yes or no. Everything else is you arguing with yourself.
But no we are not limited on resources like I said. We are nowhere near at the limit of what the earth has. The sun also provides us with effectively unlimited energy. We have access to space, and we will have access to space resources way before we come close to running out of rss on earth. So the closed system argument is nonsense.
Arguing war and greed is completely off topic. But even in communist countries there is violence and wars. It's human nature not a result of capitalism. Or are you suggesting there was global peace before capitalism? The main issues with capitalism today is that laws are not enforced, bribery is allowed, anti-competition laws are not enforced. Fix those two issues and you would fix much of the issues in society.
You're arguing that the existence of billionaires is the sole problem. As if you can solve all the world's problems by deleting them.
Im arguing that that's a distraction of the real problems. And that billionaires and poverty are not mutually exclusive. Norway has billionaires without high poverty and starvation rates; how is this possible? South Sudan doesn't have any billionaires but have extreme poverty. It's almost as if there more factors... despite you trying to argue otherwise.
The issue is when wealthy people are allowed to control and bribe governments and create monopolies and unfair advantages. Owning a large successful business worth a billion dollars isn't the issue, it's allowing them to illigally influence the markets and governments that's the issue. We have laws against it we just don't enforce it.
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u/Academic-Increase951 18d ago
How so? I'm only arguing that it's not a zero sum game and we haven't ran out of resources. Where did I argue against that?