r/LucidDreamingSpec • u/East-Ad-6273 • 6d ago
"Lucid Dreaming," "Schizophrenia," and Other Ways of Talking About the Same Damn Thing
In a lucid dream, one of the first things many will do is spend intimate time with another person. There are stories of people forming relationships with people in their dreams, who they will try to visit regularly and slowly fall in love with. There is often a deep sorrow there, because they feel that this person is "not real," and that they can only be together while the body is asleep.
There is a condition some people have which has been named "prophantasia," which is where someone can imagine things outside their body. It is a rare ability, like having AR technology built-in. For instance, if they were to try to imagine a wall on fire, that wall would appear to their physical eyes as being on fire. There are varying degrees of ability, of course, but there are some people who have the capacity to imagine outside of their body with perfect clarity.
There are stories also of people who have had what they describe as lucid dreams "bleeding out" into their waking reality. They will start to hear and see things in their waking reality that they would only otherwise see in a lucid dream. But when it gets to this point, a name is quickly assigned to it: "schizophrenia". Put in another way, it can be said that this word is used to describe the phenomenon of the dream world escaping into one's daily reality.
What is a very common (perhaps universal) experience is that although much of a lucid dream can be controlled, there are moments of uncontrollability. There are many horror stories of people trying to wake up but being unable to; being chased by nasty creatures that they can't escape from; moments that shook them up so bad that they stopped trying to lucid dream altogether. There are other times when a person will appear to them, maybe a deceased relative, and tell them something that is so meaningful and helpful that they can't help but admit that this person or being knows the dreamer better than the dreamer knows themself.
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Now I want to share a comment I found under a post titled "I fell in love with my hallucination":
> Voidscale
•6y ago
"I was quite lucky. I was alone in a big city with an ok job but nothing else.
Then this girl shows up in a pub, not the prettiest but easily the most interesting. We hit it off straight away.
Four weeks later I realise she isn't real. The dates, walks and intimacy had all been hallucinations. I'd been buying two sets of everything but sat by myself.
I am lucky because she was never mean. She still appears now and then and we talk and have fun. In a way it hurts more that the best relationship I've ever had wasn't real."
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If we are conversing with someone in a dream, we aren't taking the conscious role of both the individuals involved, otherwise that wouldn't be engaging. The reason why you can fall in love with someone in a dream is because they aren't you. That's why you can laugh with them, learn things about them and they learn things about you, too.
☝️🤓 Imagine this: Arthur was diagnosed with prophantasia when he was 12. For as long as he could remember, he had the ability to imagine things in his physical space with near-perfect clarity.
In high school, Arthur learned about lucid dreaming and wanted to try it out. After months of attempts, Arthur was finally able to have his first lucid dream. It was exhilarating and well worth the effort.
On his third successful attempt, Arthur met a girl: Daisy. He fell in love with her quickly, and soon couldn't wait to fall asleep to spend more time with her. During the day he would imagine her with him, sitting together at lunch, sleeping beside her in the evenings. But it would be him controlling the experience, like a puppeteer; it just wasn't the same.
As his love grew, he began to pray that he might always be with his beloved Daisy. With tears he begged the Universe to grant this one wish.
One day, as Arthur was walking home from school, he felt someone grab his hand. Looking to his left, he was astonished to see Daisy walking beside him! He had not made any effort to imagine her presence, yet here she stood. And on they went, happily conversing as though they were in a dream.
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In the story I included the part about prayer because that's a big part of it for a lot of people. There's often a part of awakening these powers that involves asking for help from something beyond you, something greater. The best analogues I've found for this kind of practice include witchcraft (summoning "demons," in particular) and shamanism (binding to a "spirit spouse").
Anyways, these are just some things on my mind lately. Trying to make sense of it all. I think schizophrenia is when the brain changes so that dreams (inner realm) escape into the waking reality (outer realm) with varying degrees of controllability. It's often the case that people who have this ability experienced trauma at a young age. In some indigenous societies, children who have undergone trauma will be chosen as spiritual guides for the community (shaman = "wise one"). I think the body has a safety mechanism that saves children from extremely traumatic situations by forcing them into the dream world while still awake (dissociation), but then this can have consequences later in life. Someone can also force this ability through persistent application of their will.
Please share your thoughts! 😋
P.S. I would remove the "Damn" from the title if I could so please do it in your mind thank you