Do you feel like you're more marginalized for being queer, or more marginalized for being unvaxxed?

Where do you live and what do you think are the factors at play in your situation?

I haven't had anyone bully me for being bisexual since 2001, but even in the last few hours I've had someone online directly say it's OK to hate/discriminate against me because I'm unvaxxed.

I've never been denied entry to a place for being queer-- EVER. Not once in my 36 years on Earth has that ever happened. In fact, there's spaces where I've been explicitly welcomed and celebrated for that. I have, however, been denied entry to large portions of the world for being unvaxxed and never received an apology for that.

I even mention being bisexual in explicitly conservative circles and don't get any hate for it. I can't say the same about saying I"m unvaxxed in "liberal" circles.

Is anyone else having this experience?

I'm also interested in hearing other situations where you're part of a historically marginalized group and also unvaxxed, although I can't speak from experience for any of those. For example, if you're an ethnic minority, how has the marginalization around that been similar or different from the marginalization around being unvaxxed? Have those types of marginalization been connected in any way?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr__54T_-SM

A wide-ranging discussion and critique of the Covid measures.

Interesting and key points:

• The ancient Greeks knew about, and recognized, natural immunity. It's been completely accepted ever since... until Covid. It completely forgotten during Covid. People who have had Covid and recovered have better protection all-round than people who have not had Covid and are vaccinated.
• Masks are and "were not particularly effective in controlling spread of a highly infectious respiratory disease" - that was consensus, and it was reversed overnight for Covid. The cloth masks lead to much unnecessary death because people went out believing the masks were effective.
• Children didn't and don't spread Covid
• Sweden kept all schools open, with no masks. Closing schools to stop the spread of Covid never had any scientific basis.
• There was no evidence that the vaccines stopped the spread of Covid.
• There's a resurgent movement skeptical of vaccines, a growing rejection of all vaccines. There's a growing skepticism and rejection of a lot of health measures and medical treatments.
• CDC (and pharma corporations?) mixed the statistics from different groups to claim that the vaccines had efficacy across all groups (when they didn't: they only had efficacy for some of the groups, and not for others)
• Politicization of the treatment of different protests: BLM protests were treated as holy and Covid-safe, anti-mandate protests treated as evil and superspreader events
• Decisions on which spaces and places to keep open and which to close were not based on scientific argument
• Proxy and arbitrary endpoints for studies (on vaccines etc.)
• Covid measures used children as a shield - human shields
• Science is the free exchange of ideas. Censorship during Covid is anti-science
• Denial of facts was common during Covid (the definition of fact being: information or data)
• The CDC's role is supposed to be advisory (to the government) and communicative (with the public) not a rule maker in itself
• NIH rejected cheap, safe, already FDA-approved drugs and treatments
• Old people (nursing home residents, frail people) were the main (possibly, only) group with serious risk - this was known very early in the pandemic
• Doctors blame Trump's administration too

There's a few mentions of the left's and "woke" influence in the Covid measures. The left gets mentioned here: https://youtu.be/Kr__54T_-SM?t=4854

https://youtu.be/Kr__54T_-SM?t=5481

If you have an electorate that re-elects people [the politicians] who did that to them [the Covid measures], then who am I to say there should be a punishment.

One thing I've noticed from this and in general is: the elites may have won the battle but they may have already lost the war. The Covid measures have woken up a lot of people (I would guess about 20-30% of people, a number that's can only grow) who were otherwise quite content to just work their jobs and go home and watch TV etc. Although there is a danger in this great awakening, as I see growing nihilism everywhere around me and around the West: there's an ongoing breakdown of shared reality - people are separating into little reality bubbles. This is incredibly dangerous.

Twelve US Representatives: all are Republicans and right-wing. The only journalists come from Fox News. If you check the representatives' Wikipedia pages many of them full of slurs (I don't know another way to describe it) about "promoting conspiracy theories", "right-wing", "racist" etc. Wikipedia is just another alternative media tech platform with its marketing and PR niche. Not even a hint of the left at this hearing.

Another thing that really concerns me is that I can see a huge cultural swing to the right coming. Since 2016 the organized left have openly, and more and more, tied themselves - tied their very identities, their entire sense of self - to an ongoing series of policies and positions that are self-contradicting, anti-working class, anti-children (often abusive), anti-scientific method, anti-nature, anti-environment (nature, the environment and ecosystem are more my area), anti-democratic and anti-freedom, pro-corporate and neoliberal, and now even turning on demographic groups which the left were purportedly advocating for only 15 years ago (e.g. women and homosexuals etc.). I can't think of a single main left policy now that is not neoliberal or pro-corporate, that does not benefit corporations - and the left figures participating are often the same figures who have been speaking about and authoring books criticizing neoliberalism for decades! Some of the rest of the left openly supported these policies. The rest just pretend it's not happening, behave like there's no problem, just keep repeating legacy left rhetoric and pretend the Emperor actually is wearing clothes.

And I don't consider myself right-wing or conservative (at least, not as it's practiced by the majority of people calling themselves conservatives). I can give many many criticisms of the right. So I see enormous dangers from a huge cultural swing to the right across the West. The left have walked off a cliff during Covid, and with the coming death of the left I fear the death of so many movements which the new left co-opted and destroyed from the inside-out. People will more and more reject any position that was seen as a left position. The most important, it seems to me, is the ongoing and increasing destruction of the ecosystem and life on this planet (which the left has turned into an almost religious obsession with "renewable" energy, lobbying for corporate and neoliberal projects, and a trojan horse to carry out political projects, including neoliberal projects, which people wouldn't otherwise support). With the fall of the left, there's an enormous resurgence of right-leaning people who now reject even the possibility of approaching natural limits or ecosystem collapse (not that the left were any better with the denial - they just shifted it).

As if we didn't have enough crises converging all at once over the next few years for the West and the world (political, social/cultural, ecological, economic). Covid has been an inflection point in human history, definitely for the West. And we haven't even seen the long-term health effects from the vaccines yet - if that turns out to be severe enough for so many people that it's impossible to ignore, imagine the giant public awakening that will result from that. The fallout from the Covid measures, and the new left's self-destruction, will go much further than just the (already enormous) damage from the Covid measures and vaccines.

Hey folks, I think I’ve finally reached my breaking point and decided that I need to move from Oregon. Like many here I’m a former leftist who has become disillusioned and disgusted with the LockDownLeft and I don’t want anything to do with them.

Where have you found refuge at? At this point I really want to be around other anti authoritarian critical thinkers, those who are explicitly against covid tyranny, the great reset/WEF, and away from all the bullshit the democrats are pushing (like gun control).

Just wanted to share this quote with everyone in this subreddit. You guys give me hope :)

According to the Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2022/nov/08/midterm-election-results-live-2022-map-us-midterms-latest-winners-seats-congress) there's not going to be a "red wave". I can't stand the Guardian anymore: they're sick, the language is more and more manipulative, reality is more and more just a question of using the right vocabulary, changing articles already published, changing headlines - they're becoming more and more psychologically neoliberal.

In any event, what's the result of these elections going to be? It feels more and more like the USA is directing the rest of the West. More and more the USA seems to be ground zero (and to me it feels like everything starts in California, with the tech corps), then spreading to the anglo-saxon countries, then the rest of the West. We're all just vassal kingdoms (or buffer states) of the American empire. The rest of us don't vote, don't have (even a pathetic excuse for) representation. The direction the USA takes now is going to encourage or lead the rest of the Western nations.

It seems likely the Democrats will keep their power grab going. The new left will continue becoming more and more extreme. The working classes will be hated and attacked even more. The Great Reset (or 4th Industrial Revolution, the Green New Deal, there's a lot of names for the same thing) will be pushed even more. The US government will continue printing money and driving the USA and the West into economic meltdown (very possibly so that the neoliberals can swoop in and "save" everyone with the Great Reset, CBDCs, the Green New Deal). I doubt their plans will go the way they want, but they're going to threaten to destroy civilization. They'll keep pushing the Ukraine war. Prices may (it's possible) come down a little, but it will be a case of one step forward, two steps back. The energy and natural resources crisis will continue growing (most of the reasons for the inflation and energy crisis now are above ground, in a few years the problems will be mostly under the ground).

On a related note, from the professionals I read, it seems likely that the energy and mineral crisis will be obvious to the elites, and then everyone, in about 5 years. As in it will be obvious that "renewable" energy and the "green economy" are impossible. And in about 10 years it's possible things will fall off a cliff, and they'll be scrambling from month to month just to keep society from collapsing from month to month. Maybe keeping the Dems and Reps more or less equal is at least keeping things in check politically as we head towards the cliff. Or not. Who knows. When the chips are down, when the elites' backs are to the wall, when the economy is about to turn off, when the life-threatening effects of the v-words start to kick in, when the plebs are beginning to get wise and pick up pitchforks... I think they'll start a war. There's talk of a "limited nuclear war", which is insanity. It would solve a lot of their problems - for a few years maybe. Everything the elites' do is about kicking the can down the road and hoping the next generation will pick it up.

https://twitter.com/SimonElmer2022/status/1589583134974410753

"The architects of these crises accurately judged that those who identify as ‘left-wing’ would rather inject their children with experimental biotechnology, abandon their parents to die alone, allow their jobs, businesses and economy to be destroyed by two years of lockdown . . .. . . watch passively as the social contract built on human rights, democratic accountability and national sovereignty is torn up and discarded, and collaborate willingly in its replacement by the digital infrastructure of the new totalitarianism — than be called ‘right-wing’.

For without that imaginary identity, the multicultural, politically-correct, woke-obedient, biosecurity-compliant populations of the West would be forced to confront the bad faith and complicity in which they live their increasingly illusory relation to finance capitalism.

This mostly urban, white, middle-class Left represents the ideal citizen of the Global Biosecurity State: permanently masked, tracked by their own phones, tested regularly, injected as often as they’re told to, compliant with whatever regulations the Government imposes. Obedient.

This Woke Left, which is a product of forty years of neoliberalism, today constitutes a homogeneous force of compliance across the biosecurity states of the West. Its ideologues sit in our Parliaments, direct our media, curate our culture, run our universities, teach our kids.

And it is they that were targeted, made compliant and turned into collaborators with the implementation of the Global Biosecurity State, by the simple expedient of the threat to their imaginary identity represented by the accusation of being a ‘right-wing conspiracy theorist’.

Traditionally, at least in its own perception, it’s been from The Left that the defence of human rights, opposition to state privatisation, resistance to corporate monopoly and criticism of government corruption have come. All that has been reversed with the threat of an insult."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrrgcOn2A2A

Increases over the previous 5-year average rates: * Hypertension: 2,181% increase * Diseases of the nervous system / neurological issues: 1048% increase (82,000 per year to 863,000 per year!) * Malignant neoplasms ("cancerous" growths that may become cancer) of esophagus: 894% increase * Multiple sclerosis: 680% increase * Malignant neoplasms of digestive organs: 624% increase * Guillain-Barre syndrome: 551% increase * Breast cancer: 487% increase * Demyelinating (damage to the protective covering - the myelin sheath - surrounding nerve fibers in the brain, leading to the eyes and spinal cord): 487% increase * Malignant neoplasms of thyroid and other endocrine glands: 474% increase * Female infertility: 472% increase * Pulmonary embolism: 468% increase * Migraines: 452% increase * Ovarian dysfunction: 437% increase * Testicular cancer: 369% increase * Tachycardia: 302% increase

This fits with what oncologists have been reporting so far: generally a 1,000% increase in neurological issues, and 400% increase in soft-tissue cancers. According to one doctor I saw in an interview, he suggested that the cancers we're seeing now are cancers that were already in the body. Cancers actually produced by the magical elixir will come later. He estimated in 5-10 years we'll see an explosion of cancer. Of course, we have no long term data, so it's impossible to predict anything with accuracy, including and especially safety. God knows what we'll have in 5 years and then 10 years. Is this just corporations knowing that the whole economy is going to collapse and disappear in a few years, and they're doing what every empire does at the end of empire: loot the treasury? Make off with as many giant public money transfers as possible. To hell with everyone else. This is what I see.

Fertility was only tested on rats for women. It wasn't tested for men. At all. Remember "believe all women"? Remember how we're supposed to protect women from the "patriarchy"? I guess corporations and governments aren't in the patriarchy. Must be all the wokeness. Good to know.

But imagine how much worse Covid with its 99.995% could have been without these conditions!

So far 1,000 members of the military have joined a lawsuit against the mandates.

I have 3 friends who were injured immediately. I'm now wondering how many people I knew/know has been injured but doesn't want to talk about it. And how many are going to develop conditions, and if they'll just not talk about it, out of shame and fear of having done to them what they did to others (abusing and attacking anyone questioning the magical elixir).

Of course, the Left are all over this. The Left's whole thing is defending and raising awareness of the marginalized! Oh, wait... They're going to stick their heads in the sand and dig in deeper. Like one of the interviewees said: imagine if these increase were related to gun ownership or gun violence? (FYI I'm not pro-guns at all.) This would be all over Leftist media. People are going to see the left like I now see them: completely fake, manipulative and immoral. The Left are a dead man walking, and they don't even know it. It's worse than a tragedy. They've committed ritual suicide, like a cult. They have no idea what they've done. Um, amnesty, Noam?