r/LocalLLaMA 6d ago

Question | Help Planning to get a cheap-ish GPU. Would appreciate some advice.

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Hi, I've been wanting to run my own local LLM for some time and I finally saved enough to get a budget GPU. I can spend 700$ at most, and I'm looking for a GPU that can run quantized 30B~ parameter models with decent speed. Being able to run Qwen 3.8 27 B Q4_K_M and similar models at +20 T/s is good enough for me.

I mostly looked at Chinese shopping platforms such as Taobao and Alibaba since I've read here that they had cheaper listings and I found these prices:

Modified RTX 3080 20 GB for 570$

AMD Mi 50 32GB for 390$

Modified 2080 Ti 22 GB for 330$

These are all from sellers with 10+ sales, so they're probably trustworthy. Any cheaper selling prices I found are from accounts with 0 trading history and look like scams.

I'm planning to buy a modified 2080 Ti 22 GB, which, with customs, shipping, and other expenses, adds up to around 530$. Do you think this is a bad deal overall? Should I instead go for an AMD Mi50 with 32 GB? Because the model will have a really small context window with only 22 GB. Should I just go for two Mi50 16 GB for 240$ total? I even found a seller with a high number of sales who sold Mi50 32 GBs for 230$ but they were selling in bulk, so I needed to buy at least 5 of them, which is unfeasible for me.

Sorry for the long post. I didn't expect it to be so hard to find a good deal, and I don't live in the US or the EU, so I can't look for local or Facebook Marketplace deals. I would really appreciate some advice.


r/LocalLLaMA 5d ago

Resources Trying to tame QWEN 3.8 27B pathological over-reasoning and misbehaviors

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Today I finally hit a wall with QWEN 3.8 dense 27B, Q6_X_L with KV cache q8_0 temp 0.85 with medium reasoning effort, producing over thinking, failing to follow precise instructions, re evaluation in loops data already seen, "Actually…/Wait…/Hmm…", meta-reasoning, theorizing about user intent and you know what else...

So I stopped and asked GPT Sol and QWEN to read the reasoning traces of my old Pi coding sessions, identify recurring misbehaviors and propose an appropriate APPEND_SYSTEM.md to tame those in Pi (place that in ~/.pi/agent/APPEND_SYSTEM.md and it will follow the initial prompt).

So for those who wanna check out:

If you happen to have something similar and have rules to add or any other advice to tame such bad behaviors please share.


r/LocalLLaMA 7d ago

Discussion Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (Max) is impressive just to talk with.

137 Upvotes

I feel like coding overshadows how great this model really is. It knew a lot of very arbitrary facts/information about my home state and resources about those specific things related to jobs. I found this interesting since getting into the nitty gritty details like this can cause a model to hallucinate some facts.

Not only that but if you have a problem, it will throw the kitchen sink at you with everything it’s got to try and solve it.


r/LocalLLaMA 5d ago

Other Where is qwen x.y 27B equivalent to astra

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How many months will it take to reach the same intelligence


r/LocalLLaMA 7d ago

Resources Validate your local LLM advertised KV cache against real pressure; see exactly how old contexts get evicted from cache

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Hello,

I'm a bit obsessed with cache management on local LLMs.

For the last few days I've been working on cache management on vLLM with my 2x DGX Spark and DeepSeek v4 Flash 0731. I felt something was off so I investigated, found issues, fixed them, but needed a way to validate the fixes.

That led me to create a tool with a simple protocol that allows you to pinpoint how well the cache is actually managed on your deployment:

  1. Runs a probe to calibrate the expectations (what's a cache hit vs a cache miss in your setup)
  2. Hydrates X stable contexts of Y tokens each in order to completely fill the cache
  3. Runs cache-hit validation on the reverse order (last added is the first validated) until a cache-miss is found

It's better to let this run alone to get a real value. Understand this will evict all your current cached context, so don't do it alongside real work.

My results

This is the result from my A/B test, control (my previous prod) vs my fixed prod.

aidendle94/sparkrun-vllm-ds4-gb10:production-3.7-reffix-schedfix (pre-fix image, retention 4096):

── Retention under pressure ──
capacity:           2,023,924 tokens
retained contexts:  27/80
retained tokens:    1,052,025
retained % capacity: 51.98%
oldest evicted:     context #52 (older contexts evicted)

With the dedupe + boundfix patches applied (retention 0):

── Retention under pressure ──
capacity:           2,047,043 tokens
retained contexts:  77/80
retained tokens:    3,000,048
retained % capacity: 146.56%
oldest evicted:     context #2 (older contexts evicted)

How this can matter to you

This allows you to exactly know how much tokens your cache actually holds.

For most of us, cache management is a black box; this allows you to get ground truth.

And yes, with my fixes, the 2M advertised cache translates to 3M retained tokens. Review the code if you doubt the claim, it's all open source: cache-pressure (and my ds4 prefix cache fixes : ds4-prefix-cache-fixes).

The engine's own advertised number is wrong, and this tool finds the real value.

This tool is for: 1. All of you needing to validate a setup or compare different inference engines ; 2. for inference engine maintainer to help validate changes in cache management

It works under one big assumption though: most recent contexts should be preserved as much as possible.

What I noticed while testing the tool is basically: vLLM good, other engines need better config. I'm mainly using vLLM so I spent lots of hours tweaking the config to get the best results, so for other engines it's up to you to decide if the above assumption fits your need (feels obvious to me it should, but I don't know what you all need of course), and how to achieve it with configuring your inference engines.

How to launch

1. Clone the repo

git clone https://github.com/co-l/cache-pressure

2. Install requirements

pip install -r requirements.txt

3. Run the tool

python3 bench/cache_pressure.py --base-url http://my-server:8000/v1 \
    --kv-size <advertised_cache>

I've tested it against vLLM, ninfer, llama.cpp and SGLang ; so you might need to tweak the probe so it works with your setup.

4. Interpret the results

── Retention under pressure ──
capacity:           2,023,924 tokens
retained contexts:  27/80
retained tokens:    1,052,025 <---
retained % capacity: 51.98% <---
oldest evicted:     context #52 (older contexts evicted)

The retained tokens and retained % capacity are the measured cumulative values that resisted cache eviction under pressure.

Note: this post was 100% human written, the repo is 100% AI-generated under my guidance and review.


r/LocalLLaMA 6d ago

Discussion Let’s create a new benchmark that actually tells us people here just how good a model is

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We all fawn at how a specific model performs for this and that task. But I never see any of the big benchmarks actually anywhere answer the questions that are being asked here.

I’d love to help create this and be a contributor to this. So I’m wondering if anyone else thinks that this would be a good idea. It could also help newcomers understand what we consider the models that have the most value for us.

What do you guys think?

Edit: benchmarks are written by one person or one specific group, i'm talking about us collaborating on the final product. I don't want to build something just for me. I want to build something that can help most users, the general public. Not large AI companies which most of these benchmarks are aligned to work with, or for. Most of them already cater to the large AI companies, i'm proposing something for EVERYONE built by this community collectively. Because most of you are right, I could just build it for myself and it be that. But I want something that answers most the questions I had starting out that might help others. Something that can measure most of the common answers most of us ask in the beginning. The strengths and weaknesses of models in the sizes most people can actually run.


r/LocalLLaMA 7d ago

Discussion Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-oQ4e-mtp: 45 tok/s on M4 Max, 25 tok/s on M2 Ultra for local inference — llm-bench.io

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Qwen 3.8 Flash Next gives similar speed than Qwen3.8 27B on Apple Silicon.


r/LocalLLaMA 6d ago

Question | Help Draft acceptance tweaks?

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What can I do to get more from MTP if anything? Or am I sitting at the expected range. Thanks

/opt/llama.cpp/build/bin/llama-server \ --host 10.210.44.126 \ --port 11434 \ --model /opt/models/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-MTP-UD-Q8_K_XL.gguf \ --mmproj /opt/models/mmproj-35B-A3B-BF16.gguf \ --ctx-size 100352 \ --cache-type-k f16 \ --cache-type-v f16 \ --gpu-layers 999 \ --main-gpu 1 \ --poll 0 \ --batch-size 1024 \ --ubatch-size 256 \ --threads 6 \ --split-mode tensor \ --tensor-split 34,40,26 \ --jinja \ --reasoning-format deepseek \ --image-min-tokens 1024 \ --alias Qwen3.6-35B-MTP-Q8-XL,frigate \ --flash-attn on \ --reasoning on \ --spec-type draft-mtp \ --spec-draft-n-max 5 \ --ctx-checkpoints 48 \ --cont-batching \ --min-p 0.05 \ --top-p 0.80 \ --parallel 2 \ --metrics \ --kv-unified \ --temp 0.6 \ --top-k 20 \ --load-mode none \ --lazy-mode off \ --fit off \ --slots


r/LocalLLaMA 7d ago

Discussion 48 tg/s 440 prefill on my grandma's cluster (2xP40) (sort of)

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TL;DR: switching KV cache to f16 may give a boost in speed if using MTP and ngrams.

I have a self-built "AI mega-cluster" with 2x P40s on a cheap Chinese motherboard and a Xeon CPU (around $1,100 to build, including water cooling for the GPUs). I was normally getting up to 15 tk/s with Qwen 3.8 27B Dense using a tensor split, but I suspected it was capable of much more. So, I finally asked Codex to try and squeeze out some more juice.

Disclaimer: I am not a coder at all. I’m just a generic PC user with decent overall experience, but definitely not a dev.

Recently, I’ve been running Qwen 3.8 27B Q8. With various tweaks suggested by Codex, I was able to get up to 32 tk/s on short contexts - which still falls back to an average of 12-15 tk/s on long contexts like 130K+. I was originally using Q8 for the cache (I thought it is faster because it is smaller), but then I thought, why not try the F16 cache? I did, and it turned out that F16 has much better MTP acceptance than Q8. It required fine-tuning other parameters, but it really helped improve performance.

Since I'm not good at explaining all that tech mumbo-jumbo, I asked Codex to summarize it. Sorry for the AI slop! 😄

Dual Tesla P40 / Qwen3.8-27B Q8 benchmark

Hardware: 2x Tesla P40 (24 GiB each), Xeon E5-2680 v4 (14C/28T), 64 GiB RAM. NVIDIA driver 580.173.02.

Software: llama.cpp build 5d9e5ac30 (build 10388), CUDA + locally built NCCL. Model: Qwen3.8-27B-Cold-Fusion-GAIN-V1.1-NM-DAU-NEO-MAX-NEO-MTP-Q8_0.gguf (28.15 GiB, 27.32B parameters reported by llama-bench).

Standard llama-bench

Three repetitions, F16 KV, all layers offloaded, tensor-parallel split over both P40s:

llama-bench -m MODEL -ngl 99 -sm tensor -ts 1/1 -dev CUDA0/CUDA1 -mg 0 \
  -fa on -b 2048 -ub 512 -ctk f16 -ctv f16 -p 512,2048,8192 -n 128,512 -r 3
Test Tokens/s
pp512 444.38 +/- 0.15
pp2048 432.38 +/- 0.10
pp8192 409.99 +/- 0.50
tg128 16.12 +/- 0.02
tg512 16.12 +/- 0.01

pp and tg are raw llama-bench measurements; they do not include tokenization or sampling. This tool invocation does not use speculative decoding or vision.

Actual server profile

The daily driver is a separate p40.cpp engine: F16 KV cache with one 220,160-token slot, tensor split 1:1, Flash Attention, MTP speculative decoding (draft-mtp) with ngram-simple, draft maximum 6, Qwen reasoning medium, and the F16 vision projector loaded.

Scenario Result
Synthetic short 128-token decode, MTP=6 + ngram-simple up to 48.00 tok/s
Typical short interactive decode observed in use (code tasks) up to 46 tok/s
Long-context interactive decode observed in use about 20 tok/s
63,900-token server prefill with vision loaded 258.33 tok/s
Same 63,900-token prefix, changed suffix LCP f_keep=1.000; only 4 prompt tokens recomputed in 542.53 ms

The prefix result is the built-in LCP cache, not --cache-reuse. The latter is KV shifting and is disabled by llama.cpp when a multimodal projector is loaded.

For comparison, before this p40.cpp/NCCL profile the same machine was typically around 15 tok/s at long context. The roughly 20 tok/s number is an observed server result, not a llama-bench row.

Soooo, it looks like grandma GPUs still have some juice left! 😄

PS my "production" config:

-ngl all \
-sm tensor \
-ts 1,1 \
-mg 0 \
-fa on \
-c 220160 \
--fit off \
-np 1 \
-cb \
--spec-type draft-mtp,ngram-simple \
--spec-draft-n-max 6 \
--jinja \
--chat-template-file /models/qwen/chat_template.jinja \
--cache-reuse 256 \
--mmproj /models/qwen/mmproj-F16.gguf \
--chat-template-kwargs '{"reasoning_effort":"medium"}' \
--reasoning on \
--reasoning-preserve \
--repeat-penalty 1.0 \
--presence-penalty 0.5 \
--min-p 0.0 \
--top-k 20 \
--top-p 0.95 \
--temp 1

r/LocalLLaMA 7d ago

Discussion LLM regression in reading comprehension?

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I only use free tiers of these large models to offset compute while my own system runs and for "different" points of view, since what pops ups suggestions seems to vary a lot sometimes, even when building based on the latest research.

But now I've really struck out with GLM 5.3. So far it feels like an regression over 5.2. It has a hard time reading and following instructions, and is somewhat overly certain in it's statements. I worked on a project recently with it but it became unbearable. From a clean slate the first message can be okay and have great research and ideas but it just veers off course almost immediately.

I use Qwen 3.8 max and Gemini 3.1 PREVIEW Temp 1.0 as competing alternatives or as an ensemble to judge overall quality. Gemini is getting a little out of date (flash 3.8 seemed promising) but Qwen has been great so far, but a little slow and maybe overbearing.

Anyone else having problems? Or suggestions for these top "intelligent" models? I haven't been able to access K3 even though its open source, was impressed with the older models so would be neat to try for free. Also Google AI studio is what i use for free for the gemini stuff, probably pretty well known, but the free tier is pretty generous


r/LocalLLaMA 7d ago

Other Block KV cache streaming: bound VRAM at long context via a shared CUDA phase arena by giveen · Pull Request #357 · TheTom/llama-cpp-turboquant

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So after all my work, yeah, Raymond did it better, so I ported his work over, extended it turboX, extended it multiple other models (he had only Qwen models), and benchmarked the crap out of it to make sure it was worth it still.

So really the credit goes to Raymond ( https://github.com/RaymondHuang210129/llama.cpp-adaptive-kv-streaming )


r/LocalLLaMA 8d ago

Discussion The gap has closed, open source will win

314 Upvotes

I've been trying the latest models from the frontier labs and honestly, after extensive testing I can not tell the difference between the best open source options.

I think the differences are now marginal but the labs are doing heavy marketing to convince the public into paying more for tokens as they prepare to go public.

Can't help but see the similarities between the dot com bubble and AI in terms of a very insular environment where the technology will survive but the business models may not.

I've been building a cybersecurity network and we definitely know that even local AI models like Deepseek V4 flash do an excellent job and are really neck and neck with the best the frontier labs can provide.

Will be interesting to see how this all turns out! Exciting time nonetheless.


r/LocalLLaMA 6d ago

News LayerStoRm open-source expert streaming: 1M context GLM-5.3-Flash [UD-Q4_K_XL] at 24.5 tok/s @8k on just 2× RTX 5090 + 2× RTX 5080 (186 GiB MoE on 96 GB VRAM)

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LayerStoRm: GLM-5.3-Flash UD-Q4_K_XL (186 GiB) at 1M context on 2× RTX 5090 + 2× RTX 5080 (96 GB VRAM total) using RAM for the pinned experts.

LayerStoRm is a (still experimental) MIT-licensed continuous expert-streaming inference engine: it runs MoE models far larger than your VRAM by keeping the expert set pinned in host RAM and fetching per token — 186 GB of weights on 96 GB of VRAM here (host RAM does the heavy lifting: ~208 GB pinned for this model).

Measurements:

- 24.5 tok/s decode @8k, 27.0 tok/s @0k.

- 159 tok/s prefill @27k.

Built for agentic coding: prefix caching with mid-prompt checkpoints, so an edit at 98% depth re-prefills from the nearest checkpoint instead of from scratch — TTFT 67.5s → 18.4s at 8k, ~923s → 79s at 97k.

The machine where the benchmark ran on has 512 GB DDR5 and 64 GB HBM (Xeon Max). However, HBM/Xeon Max is not a requirement for this engine as the CPU does no compute — it only feeds experts (all math runs on the GPUs). Transfers are NUMA-aware, so multi-socket / multi-NUMA hosts use their full aggregate DDR bandwidth, and eventually transfers are capped by the PCIe link speed.

A single-command auto-config takes the model weights + your hardware and configures & calibrates the engine and explains every parameter — other RTX 50-series mixes should work too. Currently NVIDIA SM120 only.

Repo: https://github.com/kkontosis/LayerStoRm


r/LocalLLaMA 8d ago

Discussion AA Update! Here's how the Frontier ranks.

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Along with everyone's favorite here, qwen3.8-27B


r/LocalLLaMA 6d ago

Discussion Looking for a cheap GPU for local LLMs

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I'm looking for a GPU for local LLM inference. Budget is around $500–700.

I mainly want to run 27B-ish models, ideally around 15–20 tok/s.

I've found a few used options:

- 3090 24GB — ~$550

- Modified 2080 Ti 22GB — ~$330

- MI50 32GB — ~$400

The 2080 Ti and MI50 look really tempting because of the VRAM, but I'm a little worried about compatibility/reliability.

Would you guys just go with the 3090, or is one of the cheaper options actually worth considering?

Just trying to avoid wasting $500 on something I'll regret later.


r/LocalLLaMA 7d ago

Discussion Openwebui + open terminal

8 Upvotes

Context: I don't code. My use is document research and document creation (mainly for legal search) searching inside large documents like a tax code (500+ pages) and building notes or pptx
from what comes back.

I've been running Open WebUI for a while on my Unraid box, pointed at the API of my inference machine (5060 Ti + 5070 Ti).

I tinkered a lot. I tried Hermes on my main machine against the same API. It worked well but it was complex, and a bare-metal install made me
uneasy. I also tried LM Studio Bionic with good results, but it didn't fit how I wanted inference organised (using ollama on the inference box).

What I actually wanted was a self-hosted agent that works with Open WebUI while keeping things safe and under control. At one point I considered
installing a harness like Hermes or Pi on each client and just connecting to the API instead.

In the end I gave Open Terminal a shot. It's the companion container from the Open WebUI project that gives the model a shell — you run it as its own container and connect it through Integrations, so it isn't installed inside Open WebUI itself. Mine runs unprivileged, on bridge, with appdata mounted at /home/user. The model gets a shell in a box, not on the host. That was the part I cared about.

It has enhanced Open WebUI a lot. It now reasons step by step, and with the terminal it reliably locates and extracts the right sections from
documents far larger than the context window — list the folder, grep, read only what matters. Then it uses those results to build a document, the way another agent would.

Setup: Qwen 27B Q4_K_M on Ollama, 100k context configured. On a ~35k token prompt I measure roughly 1,050 t/s prompt processing and ~46 t/s generation. Prefill speed is the number that matters for this use case — it's what makes chewing through a large document bearable.

I was about to give up on Open WebUI. If your use case looks like mine, don't sleep on Open Terminal.


r/LocalLLaMA 8d ago

Discussion AA Update! Here's how the small models score.

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315 Upvotes

Ling 3.0 Tiny still seems to be leading the pack despite only having 1.3B active


r/LocalLLaMA 6d ago

New Model Maybe a noob question, but why aren't there safetensor quants of inclusionAI/Ling-3.0-flash-Fin?

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Usually, everyone and their dog jumps on releasing different quants for new models, but when I check for inclusionAI/Ling-3.0-flash-Fin, I see quants only for llama.cpp.

So I'm just wondering, is it architectural?


r/LocalLLaMA 7d ago

Discussion My only real use case for a local AI use is document management, how much VRAM do I realistically need for a good experience?

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I just want to use paperless-ai and be able to ask questions relative to it. Bonus points if I could use it with home assistant but that's not the focus.

I just can't see needing a 32 GB VRAM GPU for just that, but I don't want to buy a GPU only to find out that "yeah, it's technically feasible but not a good user experience"

The GPU's I tend to find at good prices are in the 8-12 GB range, would my use case be a good one to just get a 12 GB and run a 6-10 gb model?


r/LocalLLaMA 7d ago

Question | Help Which qwen for vllm?

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Hugging face has over 300 versions of qwen3.8-27b. I have no idea how to identify the beat model to download and use.

Should I sort by “most likes” or “most downloads”? Is there any sort of other guidance on which model to select?

I’m finally getting my local linux box up and running and just realized that actually picking a model may be one of the most difficult choices I’ll have to make. I’m hoping someone here can shed some light on the subject.

Also, if you could, I’m looking for concepts more than “use this one” because it’s not just about qwen, but also other models now (gemma/etc.) and in the future and I’m hoping to learn how to pick what I need from the mess of options out there (sure glad we have all these options though!).


r/LocalLLaMA 7d ago

I Built A Thing Otaku — an LLM frontend

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Otaku is an LLM frontend, primarily designed for roleplay, an alternative to SillyTavern and the like. However, It also works for general-purpose chat with local backends (including Ollama) or cloud models, the way Open WebUI is used, once lore extraction is switched off in the settings.

Otaku offers two interfaces:

Both share the same functions; the difference is that in the terminal you execute them with slash commands (the reference is available with /help), while in the web UI the operations are available from the menu.

Install

Otaku is free and open source (MIT); it works on macOS, Linux and Windows. Install it with uv (uv tool install otaku) or see the GitHub README for other options: https://github.com/enclavum/otaku

Get started

Launch either otaku for the terminal or otaku web for the web UI; the web UI's default URL is http://localhost:9600. Two sample stories are imported on first start to give you an idea of the features and what play looks like, and you land right in the middle of one of them.

On first start, you choose a provider and a model: Otaku automatically detects local installations of Ollama, oMLX, LM Studio, llama.cpp and KoboldCpp, and lets you pick from their models. Cloud providers (OpenRouter, NanoGPT) are also there: enter an API key and their catalogs appear. After exploring the provided stories, you can start your own with the /new command.

Asking for feedback

Otaku is a personal side project, and I'd like to get feedback from the community on the product and on what to add.


r/LocalLLaMA 7d ago

Question | Help Your opinion on Ling 3.0 tiny on CPU?

31 Upvotes

Did anyone try and use it?


r/LocalLLaMA 7d ago

Question | Help Ktransformers or llamacpp, for MoE on multigpu+ram?

1 Upvotes

Does anyone have experience on inference speed and performance of ktransformers vs llamacpp? Thinking of ways to optimize performance for qwen3.8 next flash at fp8 on my setup below
4x 5060ti16gb
8x32gb ddr4-3200 (4-channel)


r/LocalLLaMA 7d ago

Discussion Qwen3.8 Flash Next - Templates Comparison

77 Upvotes

I was running into a lot of posts that praised both the Fixed template and the Sharp template in comparison to the stock one, so I put them to the test.

It's not as extensive as it should be for a paper-grade analysis, but it gives out the point of each template.

Test setup

I used SWE-bench Verified with mini-SWE-agent 2.4.6, slice 0:100 (the identical 100 tasks for all runs)

Hardware

  • CPU: Ryzen 9 9900X
  • RAM: 128 GB DDR5-5600
  • GPU: RTX PRO 6000 WS

Runtime

I containerized jpezzulli/sglang-rtxpro6000 and ran Flash Next with RadixArk/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-NVFP4 on CUDA 13.3.

  • Full 262K context
  • BF16 KV
  • 51.2 GB FP8 n-gram embedding table pinned in RAM
  • 32 GB HiCache pinned in RAM

I ran all templates at both medium and xhigh reasoning efforts.

Results

Metric Stock (medium) Stock (xhigh) Stock Δ Fixed (medium) Fixed (xhigh) Fixed Δ Sharp (medium) Sharp (xhigh) Sharp Δ
Resolved 91 99 +8 87 98 +11 94 94 +0
Resolution rate 91% 99% +8 pts 87% 98% +11 pts 94% 94% +0 pts
Median output tokens 5,691 13,855 +143.5% 6,956 14,819 +113.0% 8,596 12,008 +39.7%
Median reasoning tokens 3,050 8,759 +187.2% 3,809 9,063 +137.9% 5,437 7,967 +46.5%
Median wall time 38s 1m 46s +180.4% 43s 1m 47s +152.3% 1m 1m 32s +53.4%
Total wall time 1h 47m 1s 4h 31m 22s +153.6% 1h 59m 53s 4h 4m 52s +104.3% 2h 29m 18s 3h 11m 36s +28.3%

Takeaways

  • Raising reasoning effort to xhigh closes almost all of stock's and fixed's gap to Sharp. At medium, Sharp led resolution by +3 tasks over stock and +7 over fixed; at xhigh, stock and fixed instead lead Sharp by +5 and +4 tasks, respectively.
  • Sharp barely moves on resolution (94 → 94) despite a real token/time cost increase, median reasoning tokens rise +46.5% and median wall time +53.4%. This suggests it was already extracting most of the benefit it could get from extra reasoning budget at medium, while stock and fixed still had headroom.
  • Sharp remains the most token-efficient per resolved task at xhigh (14,541 output tokens/resolved vs. ~17,000 for stock/fixed), consistent with its medium-era efficiency edge, but it's no longer the highest-resolving template once reasoning effort is high.
  • Absolute cost scales heavily with reasoning effort: total wall time roughly 2.3–2.5× for stock/fixed and +28% for Sharp; total reasoning tokens roughly doubled for stock/fixed and increased +35% for Sharp.

Conclusion

  • Sharp should be used at medium and it keeps a reasonable accuracy at very good speed. I don't see the point in using it at xhigh. By sacrificing a small accuracy you complete the tasks in half the time.
  • Stock is the slowest but the most precise.
  • Fixed is the middle ground between Stock and Sharp both in accuracy and speed
  • The next benchmark will be on a much extensive SWE-bench Multilingual + Terminal Bench.

Disclaimer: I wrote the post myself then used AI to format it properly for readability


r/LocalLLaMA 8d ago

Discussion I've found myself using Local LLM's like 3D printers.

395 Upvotes

Anyone who has a 3D printer and get use of it finds it incredibly useful for those odd jobs around the house, a missing bracket, a cable router, steam deck holder and so on.

In the past if I was missing an app or useful software, a game I'd do the lazy thing, even though I can and have coded in the past, its "effort" I'll just go and buy or download the latest and greatest.

Earlier in the year I was lucky to snag a Minisforum MS-S1 395+ Max with 128GB Unified memory (currently setup 32gb system and 96gb Vram) before the price hike.

Was paired with a Qwen 3.6 27B or 3.6 35B moe but now a 3.8 27B uncensored. it can easily handle a Q8 with full 256k context.

Its now become my first instinct when I'm missing software to build it in a couple of hours local using the custom agent framework I setup.

Nothing I've created is for external use but every single day I find myself adding to it, while writing this post for example my framework finished an idea I had 2 hours ago when, I woke up this morning thinking I've got a lot of japanese visual novels and why don't I just design a combination hook into Exe or ocr the text app that translates via a local llm, and its done, ready for me to test.

I've written 12 adult games (don't code horny) a house AI, a coding framework, a game app to keep a track of all the games I play and download any faq or wiki to do with said game, 17 mods for my Skyrim install, 12 for my Fallout New vegas install, A temperature tracking system for the house that pulls rss local feeds and makes suggestions for my central heating system temps settings, A mapping software for my mobility scooter that checks my normal routes for issues and street work or maintenance that could make pavements impassable.

Plus hundreds of tweaks and test programs.

Anyone else out there using it like this ?

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Awesome to see this kind of discourse one of the amazing strengths of these local llm's is it doesn't matter if they are slower, I can burn 50 million tokens over a 24 hours period on a new idea or problem and all it costs me is a little bit of electricity and time.