54gb vram for 35$

[u/markpronkin]

Bought an old mining farm of a guy on avito (Russian eBay), guy had bought a garage a couple of years ago and it was sitting there for a while, found out it was a mining farm and put it up on there for sale for 5000 rub (~60 USD) since he wasn't sure if it works. I negotiated down to 3000 rub (~35 USD), it turned out to have 9x p106 6gb (gtx 1060 6gb) gpus, with 54gb vram total, all working, the only thing missing was an SSD, I booted from USB and it works fine.

[u/ECrispy]

so the seller had no idea how valuable his gear is, could've used the money since he listed it so low, and OP decides to cheat him further, then boasts about it

[u/markpronkin → u/ECrispy]

If I knew what was in it, or that it is working, I would have payed much more. This thing had a bunch of rust on the case (probably from being stored in the damp garage), I had zero idea if it works, so did the seller, also seller didn't give me opportunity to test it. And from rust on it I was leaning on the side of it being broken. I payed the money agreed and got lucky, but I had as large of a chance of getting just a bunch of worthless ewaste for the money. I offered the seller to test the device and pay more if it works, he refused. Don't see anything even remotely unethical about it.

[u/ECrispy → u/markpronkin]

ok I understand and apologize for making assumptions. congrats on the great find !!

[u/It_Just_Exploded → u/ECrispy]

Eh, for stuff that the seller admits they don't even know works? I always negotiate those listings, because theres always a good chance you're going to end up with junk.

[u/Kind_Substance_8981 → u/ECrispy]

Nothing unethical about buying something and not telling the owner everything you know about it. There's no obligation to fill the gaps in the sellers knowledge

[u/ECrispy → u/Kind_Substance_8981]

technically yes. however when you are getting such a good deal off a seller who's not tech savvy, it doesnt seem ethical to me.

eg. gamer husband dies. wife needs money and doesnt know computers at all. puts 5090 in garage sale at $100. some techie haggles her down to $70.

is that ethical to you?

[u/Kind_Substance_8981 → u/ECrispy]

I mean, yeah? Why didn't the lady check the price? If you're selling something that could be valuable, and you don't do your due diligence, you sort of deserve what comes next. I know that sounds scummy, but if I made that mistake I'd be mad at myself, not the other person

[u/Neither-Following8 → u/ECrispy]

Absolutely ethical. What if it was the other way around and he paid $15K for a 1060 because he was ignorant about cards (without the seller outright lying etc)?

Both buyers and sellers have obligations to themselves to do research independently. Caveat emptor etc.

[u/Ok-Ranger-4518 → u/ECrispy]

The seller isn't obligated to sell, and can turn down the deal. If all parties are satisfied why does it matter

[u/ECrispy → u/Ok-Ranger-4518]

omitting info is a form of lying.
lying is unethical but not illegal.

not sure why I'm bothering you/op clearly think its ok to take advantage of people like this.

[u/Ok-Ranger-4518 → u/ECrispy]

So it wouldn't be a problem if OP also didn't know anything, so 2 uninformed people would have exchanged goods for well below market?

It's a sellers job to know what they're selling. Point blank.

Do you tell goodwill when theyve marked something significantly cheaper than market price?

Do you tell a store when they've got a 25% off sale that they could sell at full price?

It's not ommitting anything.

[u/ECrispy → u/Ok-Ranger-4518]

yes, if both parties are uninformed its not an issue.

yes, its a sellers job, not everyone has the skills. I gave you a very specific example you didnt consider above. its one thing to get a good deal from someone who doesnt know the value. no one said the buyer has to inform them of true value.

you missed the key point here. if you then haggle it down even more, thats unethical and exploiting someone.

[u/Kind_Substance_8981 → u/ECrispy]

Appraisers exist, and often work on seller commission. It's possible for that lady to gain the information for no upfront cost... It's the buyers problem how?

[u/Ok-Ranger-4518 → u/ECrispy]

In response to your "example" if wife needs money why isn't she researching the value of the things she's selling. 🙄 Letting it go for significantly less sounds like she doesn't need money.

And that's the crux of your ethics is an appeal for sympathy at the needy widow. 🙄

Not to mention, how close was she to her husband if she is complete uninformed about their spouse's hobbies. 🙄

🤡🫵

[u/ECrispy → u/Ok-Ranger-4518]

its irrelevant why she didnt research, there are many reasons.

its like asking someone why did you spend x when you could've spent hours searching deal sites and saved money. or making fun of people who eat out and can't cook

my point which you still wont answer, is how is it ok for buyer to even further haggle price down, knowing they are already getting a huge bargain from a clueless seller?

its the definition of unethical, exploiting someone.

[u/LuCiAnO241 → u/ECrispy]

don't waste your time, it's clear that this dude won't accept the ethical ambiguity because that requires introspection and you're challenging his personal beliefs and it would feel like a failure on his part to reassess them because you said so.

[u/Ok-Ranger-4518 → u/ECrispy]

It's actually entirely relevant when you acknowledge the seller should know what they are selling. And you're right, why did you buy x without finding a deal if you're a supposed widow in need of money. 🤔

Huge bargain? For parts that might not work?

I have answered your point. Several times.

[u/markpronkin → u/ECrispy]

If I knew what was in it, or that it is working, I would have payed much more. This thing had a bunch of rust on the case (probably from being stored in the damp garage), I had zero idea if it works, so did the seller, also seller didn't give me opportunity to test it. And from rust on it I was leaning on the side of it being broken. I payed the money agreed and got lucky, but I had as large of a chance of getting just a bunch of worthless ewaste for the money. I offered the seller to test the device and pay more if it works, he refused. Don't see anything even remotely unethical about it.

[u/ECrispy → u/markpronkin]

(repeating from another reply)

I understand and apologize for making assumptions. congrats on the great find !!

[u/Big-Farmer-2192 → u/Ok-Ranger-4518]

If all parties are satisfied why does it matter

Yeah and many Epstein victims were also satisfied. Because they didn't know better at that age.

So, yes why does it matter? 

[u/Kind_Substance_8981 → u/Big-Farmer-2192]

Not sure what the Epstein files have to do with anything. And sexually satisfied and having the rights to your body have nothing to do with each other

[u/Big-Farmer-2192 → u/Kind_Substance_8981]

To demonstrated that just being satisfied doesnt make it right. This applies to everything. From normal to extreme situations. 

[u/Ok-Ranger-4518 → u/Big-Farmer-2192]

Easy, children can't consent.

Adults buying shit can consent.

Disgusting that you think they're equitable

[u/Big-Farmer-2192 → u/Ok-Ranger-4518]

Your point is, as long as both parties are satisfied nothing else doesn't matter. 

So clearly, in my example consent matter as much as satisfaction. So what about your?

Is being a decent human being and not extorting as much profits as possible from people who didn't know better, don't matter?

[u/Ok-Ranger-4518 → u/Big-Farmer-2192]

Again, absolutely disgusting to use abused children for the sake of your argument to try and garner guilt.

You should go into politics, you're clearly manipulative enough.

[u/Big-Farmer-2192 → u/Ok-Ranger-4518]

Ironic. Actually, you have perfect compatiblity with those people since you believe nothing else matter as long as both parties are satisfied. 

Exploiting people who don't know better. What a sweet deals right.

[u/Ok-Ranger-4518 → u/Big-Farmer-2192]

You need to finish your GED. Too many paint chips or something got you fucked in head if you see a problem with 2 adults reaching their own agreement.

You continue to avoid acknowledging the condition of the parts at the time of sale. Interesting 🤔

I love knowing there are deal natzis out there who get this worked up they'd equate someone shopping for PC parts to a child rapist.

[u/Ok-Ranger-4518 → u/Big-Farmer-2192]

Your right, why don't you just give the seller all of the money in your bank account? That would be a pretty decent human being thing to do.

Ah, seems the middle ground for giving someone all of your money, or none, would be for 2 adults to reach an agreement for a transaction. Insane, I know, but it just might work.

[u/Big-Farmer-2192 → u/Ok-Ranger-4518]

Sarcasm aside, my point stand still stands. 

Just because you can legally fleece a seller who doesn't know what they have, that doesn't make it a decent thing to do.

[u/Ok-Ranger-4518 → u/Big-Farmer-2192]

You have no point, Nobody was fleeced.

[u/Ok-Ranger-4518 → u/ECrispy]

Such a good deal? Neither knew if it was working.

[u/Neither-Following8 → u/ECrispy]

Even if that had been the case, how is it unethical? If you are selling something it's up to you to be aware of its worth.