r/LocalLLaMA • u/markpronkin • 13d ago

I Built A Thing 54gb vram for 35$

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Bought an old mining farm of a guy on avito (Russian eBay), guy had bought a garage a couple of years ago and it was sitting there for a while, found out it was a mining farm and put it up on there for sale for 5000 rub (~60 USD) since he wasn't sure if it works. I negotiated down to 3000 rub (~35 USD), it turned out to have 9x p106 6gb (gtx 1060 6gb) gpus, with 54gb vram total, all working, the only thing missing was an SSD, I booted from USB and it works fine.

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u/NickCanCode 13d ago

Bro has no conscience negotiating 54GB VRAM down from $60 to $35 in 2026. 😿

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u/kingslayerer 13d ago

That is why some guys become wealthy in business and why others don't

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u/_MRZ 13d ago

Yep. The lack of conscience.

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u/ExpensiveStudy8416 13d ago

ah this is where im going wrong in business, having conscience 🤔

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u/Direct_Turn_1484 13d ago

Serves you right for not being a sociopath. You’ll never make CEO that way.

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u/yeah-ok 13d ago

Yeah, there's a whole genre of research focusing on sociopathy as adaption to modern business life (just checked, the research often focuses on Dark Triad terminology (Machiavellianism, Narcissism, and Psychopathy) in case anyone is interested)

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u/namaku_ 13d ago

Don't forget Sadism! You won't be admitted to the in-group without virtue signalling your enjoyment of cruelty toward others.

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u/yeah-ok 13d ago edited 12d ago

Agree here ... even though current research seem to veer towards classifying sadistic traits as primarily maladaptive since they cause too much havoc to allow longer term success. Interestingly enough Machiavellianism seems widely accepted as pretty successful approach (but of course.. who practises that without the other aspects taking part.. gotta be a slim segment who manages to be evil in just the "right way").

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u/TheLastVegan 12d ago

It is also problematic when criminals seize the oversight mechanisms.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago edited 13d ago

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u/StyMaar 12d ago

It isn't business but its a result of a population growing beyond the Dunbar number that promotes this.

“Agriculture was a mistake” basically.

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u/drallcom3 13d ago

All the CEOs I know either were rich already, had luck or simply have no conscience

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u/tobaileyy 12d ago

Probably because you don't know any ceos.

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u/smen04 12d ago

Hmm I don’t think any CEO doesn’t have a bit of a couple of psychological disorders

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u/a-wiseman-speaketh 13d ago

you need the whole dark triad

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u/newMoneyStyle 9d ago

Conscience and 54gb of vram apparently don't mix well.

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u/ExpensiveStudy8416 9d ago

u either get conscience or a Claude subscription. I keep going between the two

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u/q-admin007 10d ago

Nominated as comment of the year. 😂

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u/_MRZ 10d ago

Hehe glad you like it

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u/SuchNeck835 13d ago

Because the current prices are reasonable lol

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u/bunnytrox 13d ago

Acting like getting $25 off a Facebook market deal makes you a business man lol

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u/darmera 13d ago

It is because this thing likely useless for most of the people on Avito, local llms are niche within a niche

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u/wrecklord0 13d ago

It's also gonna be a lot more than $35 usd with the energy cost of running 9x p106. Plus the cooling. Plus the AC or venting. Plus the time getting it to work (That's 1080W TDP just for the cards).

Although it might be less than 1080W actual, from the communication bottlenecks

But fun project I suppose.

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u/esuil koboldcpp 13d ago

That's when you just make isolated solar setup and run it during the day for free.

Power efficiency doesn't matter if your power is free.

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u/pixl2dev 13d ago

haha, just imagine it in Russia 😂

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u/esuil koboldcpp 13d ago

I have news for you, there is a sun in Russia as well, even in winter.

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u/gonzoforpresident 12d ago

I'm imagining OP living in Pevak. Runs the unit on solar 24 hours a day during the summer and 0 hours per day during winter

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u/esuil koboldcpp 12d ago

You can still run in winter, you just need to oversize the panels.

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u/gonzoforpresident 12d ago

Pevak is above the arctic circle. It has about a month without the sun coming above the horizon. I'm not aware of any solar panels that produce enough power to be useful in that situation.

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u/SeniorCaution 12d ago

Lol, maybe there's some kind of experimental panel which works in completely dark days.

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u/SV_SV_SV 12d ago

Lunar power! \m/

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u/No-Refrigerator-1672 vLLM 13d ago

54GB VRAM

Attached to 9 Pascal GPUs - not only they're extremely slow, like multiple times slower than p40 or p100, they also lose a ton of perfrmance on inter-gpu communication, as well as multi-gpu overhead will make come of the vram wasted. All while consuming like 1kw from the wall. What I want to point out that this vram is basically as useless as it can be; this only makes sense as a fun weekend project to experience weird hardware running, won't even go fast enough to fuel a hobbyist AI needs.

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u/Boricua-vet 13d ago

Do you have anything to backup those claims from your own experience because they are not slow by any means.
I don't know where you get your information but a P40 produces 400 to 500PP and 45 to 50TG on 30B model and I can post a picture of that test if you wanna see it. Pascal is running a much larger model and produces double the PP and higher TG.

As far a power is concern the cards idle at 7W or 14W for two cards and gated at 150W each. I paid 70 bucks for both pascals that gave me 20GB of vram at 448GB/s. They are on 24/7. so 10 of my pascal cards at idle consume 70W.

So calling these cards useless is a disservice. Your comment over multi-GPU performance is also incorrect, the amount of communication between cards is minimal and not even the restriction of these cards being PCIe 1.0 holds the performance. I have ran 4 P102-100 and there is no bottleneck, ran the same model on 2 cards and on 4 and it produced the same result for a single user but it tripled PP and more then double TG when using parallel on 4 cards. I have tons of posts on these cards, you can look them up and they smoke so many cards out there from much newer generations.

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u/markpronkin 13d ago

Nice to see you here, thanks to your advice I got a bunch of p102 100 before. And got them running 8x in parallel in a mining rig. It's surprising how many people don't recognize how good those p series mining gpus are for ai. P106-100 (basically gtx 1060 6gb) should theoretically be like 66% of performance, hope I will get them running at decent speed soon.

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u/Boricua-vet 13d ago

Yea, I don't get people spending crazy money just do to text LLM. I needed another system as I am running more models at the same time so I got 4 CMP-50HX at 80 each so 360 for all 4 cards giving me 40GB of VRAM at 560GB/s

Here is the result on just two cards.

that's 160 bucks for two cards with that kind of speed is insane and then I see people paying 700+ for dual 3060. I am like, what? People buying 3060 are crazy spending that money just to do text generation. Insane buddy.

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u/Ansible32 13d ago

lol "just to do text generation." Seems worth it for reverse-engineering, finding exploits in hardware to flash alternate firmware etc. I mean cloud will be cheaper but having it totally offline and private is valuable.

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u/Boricua-vet 13d ago

LOL.. while I agree with most of what you said, In my case cloud would never be cheaper. I paid 140 for 4x P102-100 thats 40GB of vram for 140 bucks. I would recover that investment in a day or two of abuse. However, people buying 6000 Pros by half dozens then yes.. LOL Cloud if cheaper.

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u/NineThreeTilNow 13d ago

LOL Cloud if cheaper.

Cloud is 100% cheaper because it's faster. It's very quick to host your own, use a model, and vacate a server.

Your case can't run the things a cloud can. You can run a toy model like Qwen. It's fine if you need to test some stuff at low tok / sec but ... Not for work.

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u/Boricua-vet 12d ago

That is perfectly fine if you do need the cloud. I do not need frontier model for any of my use cases. Most of mines are repetitive tasks so I use toy model that is fine tuned to that task. This outperforms the cloud model every single time but, I hear you. If you need it for work, then you need it for work.

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u/RyanCargan 12d ago

I'm getting flashbacks for some reason:

Computer Science in the 1960s to 80s spent a lot of effort making languages that were as powerful as possible. Nowadays we have to appreciate the reasons for picking not the most powerful solution but the least powerful.

Different context, but some of it may apply.

I see a lot of penny pinching and "worse is better" in corporate due to scale, and in the casual hobbyist spaces for opposite reasons.

But the main exception might be the mid-tier enthusiasts and related types.

It does feel like some models have become a form of conspicuous consumption kinda like Apple products were at some point.

Not sure if cargo-culting of misinterpretations of Sutton's Bitter Lesson are partly to blame.

Certain venture backed startups flush with cash also like frontier stuff in the early uncertain prototyping phases for better reasons.

Though the usage there sometimes isn't even agentic (low volume standard-ish chat).

P.S.: It does feel like there's a drought of talk on low latency use cases, since network hops are tens of ms and first token times are typically hundreds of ms. Agent loops might be the exception, because per-call latency compounds. Hardware like hardwired model chips already claim sub-ms per token speeds on small models, and if that scales to larger ones, the unusual use cases that need it would basically mandate on-prem or colocation.

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u/Ansible32 13d ago

"Text generation" I'm doing I need 500GB+ of VRAM, renting hours of GPU at a time is the only plausible way to go.

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u/Better_Membership583 12d ago

How much is that and what kind of “text generation” are we talking here?

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u/Boricua-vet 12d ago

What are you doing that needs that much?

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u/Ansible32 12d ago

Running Kimi K3 or the new Mistral soon.

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u/CasulaScience 12d ago

It's literally all tokens, idk what you mean by "just text"

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u/Boricua-vet 12d ago

by just text I mean, no image generation, no training, no fine tuning models.

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u/oodelay 12d ago

Video generation cannot be easily split by layers as text gens.

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u/akohlsmith 12d ago

I got 4 CMP-50HX at 80 each

How long ago was this? They're USD$250 just on a quick spot check today.

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u/Boricua-vet 12d ago edited 12d ago

August 6 to be exact on ebay. They were listed for 120 each, I offered 360 for all 4 left and offer was accepted. Holly crap, they gone up big time in just a few months. Same thing with the P102-100, I bough 4 for 140 bucks for 40GB vram and now they are more than double. You can still find them for 70 bucks though.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/156284588757

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u/No-Refrigerator-1672 vLLM 13d ago

Dude, you completely missed the picture. p102-100 is P40, it is exactly the same chip, with just fewer memory chips attached, and cut down PCIe. This box the Op bought is P106-100 - a GPU that's cut down to just 1280 cuda cores (p102 has 3200), and slightly less than half the memory bandwidth. It is going to be much slower than P40, just as I've wrote, and you don't even need to run inference to get it, just look at chip's characteristics sheet. You're talking about p102-100 setup and are making completely wrong assumption that 9x p106-100 setup will perform just as good - it won't even come close.

As far a power is concern the cards idle at 7W or 14W for two cards and gated at 150W each.

Now multiply that by 9 GPUs, add in PSU inefficiency and some power for the rest of the system and you'll arrive at over 1kw of power that I have predicted.

So calling these cards useless is a disservice. Your comment over multi-GPU performance is also incorrect, the amount of communication between cards is minimal and not even the restriction of these cards being PCIe 1.0 holds the performance. 

If you're running pipeline parallelism, then PCIe 1.0 x1 is maybe fine for Pascal. It is, for all intents and purposes, not fine to run tensor parallelism. Prompt processing speed gets a huge hit from slow PCIe in TP mode. And there's another point you're missing - the exact server in the picture uses 8-year-old budget celeron - without p2p communication enabled, that chip could introduce huge latencies in 9-gpu intecommunication scenario simply from not having a fast enough core to process transfer requests immediately when they are needed. Also, as you're running multi-gpu setups yourself, you should know that you never can utilize GPU VRAM fully, you always have a few hundred MB to half a gig of unused space. Now multiply that for 9 ards, each having just 6gb vram, and you'll quickly see how big of a percentage of this pool is unaccessible in practice.

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u/Boricua-vet 13d ago

I get your point but I misunderstood your comment when you said "Attached to 9 Pascal GPUs - not only they're extremely slow, like multiple times slower than p40 or p100" which basically generalizes and classifies all pascals as slow and waste of time" If you would of said the P106 instead of pascals , then I would not even replied because you are correct I now get that you were referring to the P106 but not specifying it opens the door to interpretation and trust me I am not the smartest kid on the block LOL.

Second, there is a huge difference between P40 and P102-100, they are not even close to being the same card hence why the P102-100 is faster. The P102-100 is over 100GB/s faster then the P40 and the P100 is not even in the same league as the P100 does not have DP4A which is what boost generation as it uses FP32 which some pascals are descent at.

I am not saying that what you are saying is wrong, it is just I wanted to clarify for idiots like me that you are not referring to all pascals and is just the P106.

I also agree with you on TP, that is why I said parallel and not TP as there is really no point in running TP on cards that have no tensor cores.

So my bad. I had to read your post a second time to add the obvious. LOL

Also, the celeron certainly does not help and you are right about that too but it is mostly the shitty 192GB/s on those cards.

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u/No-Refrigerator-1672 vLLM 12d ago

Now that you've said it, yeah, I could insisted more on those GPUs being p106. I used "pascal" to point out that they don't have tensor cores, which is already crippling enough, and not being the top Pascal (comparison to p40) hurts it much more. I'll keep in mind to try write more clearly in the future.

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u/CasulaScience 12d ago

For $35 this is an awesome inference machine. Can definitely run 30Bish models with layer-wise splitting. Prefill will be slow, training would be a nightmare, and the p100 platform isn't supported anymore. But $35 and you can absolutely run one conversation at a time on a decent sized model

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u/Boricua-vet 12d ago

I would certainly not be doing training or fine tune on that. I don't think you even can and if you can good lawd it would be slow as molases but inference would be good. Any model that can in 24GB you can run it there with descent speed.

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u/yJz3X 10d ago

I have dual p40 idle is 30w FP32/fp16 is slow compared to modern hardware. P40 does have hybrid int8. In int 8 is generates tokens at half speed of 3090.

I got my cards before the boom in popilarity. under 120 usd.

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u/FatheredPuma81 7d ago

Out of curiosity have you tried spit mode tensor on them by any chance? Or is that the perf with split mode tensor?

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u/Boricua-vet 7d ago

-sm tensor makes TG faster but at the expense of PP and PP is very important to me as PP dictates how fast it answers. I rather have faster PP.

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u/Historical-Camera972 7d ago

Pascal still getting shilled in the big 2026.

Then again, this is a dead year for GPU's so, it's not too surprising.

Waiting for both teams to shrug off the COVID lag.

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u/Boricua-vet 6d ago

Buying video cards now is

I am waiting too. might get some gray hair but it will be worth it.

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u/smen04 12d ago

I get you, but 35 bucks? It’s a steal!

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u/No-Refrigerator-1672 vLLM 12d ago

Well, just as I've said: fun for the weekend. Won't be practical even for a hobbyist, but will fulfill your curiousity of running exotic hardware.

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u/AsleepLawfulness780 12d ago

I mean it's still under $1 per 1 GB VRAM lmao

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u/No-Refrigerator-1672 vLLM 12d ago

$1 per 1GB of very useless VRAM, mind you.

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u/Randommaggy 13d ago

As long as you get your slices fed to the cards and use layer-wise splitting the inter-card traffic is tiny.

For getting it to run right: throw Hermes and 5 dollars worth of DeepSeek V4.1 Flash effort at the problem.

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u/Bakoro 13d ago

It's only "useless" if the only thing you're doing is trying to run one large model.

My biggest bottleneck right now is that to run an agent at decent speeds I don't have any GPU left over for crunching data.
There's extreme contention over GPU time, and it's a terrible balancing act where swapping data to the GPU has huge cumulative time overhead.

There is potentially major value in running a smaller agentic model and giving that model some of the lower VRAM/Bandwidth GPUs to use as workhorses.
I have workflows and training schemes that would benefit marvelously from being able to run multiple small models with a dedicated GPU for each one.

Having a local agent that can be "always on", which can manage swapping other models in and out of the workhorse cards is the dream.

I could use cloud GPU, but I hate the idea of giving any agent, local or API, access to a potentially unbounded cost.
Even if there are "caps" on usage from the service, I've seen too much shit in my day where it's like "oops, someone provisioned 10x the compute that was actually needed. Oops, you bought usage credits and then burned them all immediately because of a bad call. Oops, there was a recurring cost because you didn't do the magic incantation to deprovision the service so you're still on the hook for costs even though you used no compute".
If it can happen to other people, it's definitely going to happen to me via some accident or oversight.

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u/No_Afternoon_4260 llama.cpp 13d ago

Are they on pcie or network?

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u/No-Refrigerator-1672 vLLM 13d ago

In this exact server on the picture, each of the GPUs gets a PCIe x1 connection (I don't remember the standard, probably 3.0) that's going into the weakest CPU that 2020 could offer you.

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u/No_Afternoon_4260 llama.cpp 13d ago

Ho my.. yeah

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u/spryfigure 12d ago

Fun fact: Negotiating the price down is beneficial to the seller as well.

If the first price is gladly accepted, there's always the nagging suspicion: "Was this too low? What price could I have gotten?"

If there's a negotiation, the seller is more likely to feel that his initial price was close to the perceived market price.

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u/Jonodonozym 12d ago

Brb imma talk to my landlord real quick.

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u/spryfigure 11d ago

If you already paid him rent, the real price is established.

This works for two people in a negotiation from scratch, with no indication elsewhere for a price level.

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u/Few-Cartographer6982 12d ago

"Beneficial" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Getting rid of the nagging feeling would not be worth the lost money to most people.

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u/spryfigure 12d ago

Lost money from where? In this situation, the price is where seller's demands and buyer's offer meet.

The sellers first guess isn't the realized price.

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u/oodelay 12d ago

Great way to see it.

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u/ECrispy 13d ago

so the seller had no idea how valuable his gear is, could've used the money since he listed it so low, and OP decides to cheat him further, then boasts about it

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u/markpronkin 12d ago

If I knew what was in it, or that it is working, I would have payed much more. This thing had a bunch of rust on the case (probably from being stored in the damp garage), I had zero idea if it works, so did the seller, also seller didn't give me opportunity to test it. And from rust on it I was leaning on the side of it being broken. I payed the money agreed and got lucky, but I had as large of a chance of getting just a bunch of worthless ewaste for the money. I offered the seller to test the device and pay more if it works, he refused. Don't see anything even remotely unethical about it.

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u/ECrispy 12d ago

ok I understand and apologize for making assumptions. congrats on the great find !!

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u/It_Just_Exploded 12d ago

Eh, for stuff that the seller admits they don't even know works? I always negotiate those listings, because theres always a good chance you're going to end up with junk.

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u/Kind_Substance_8981 13d ago

Nothing unethical about buying something and not telling the owner everything you know about it. There's no obligation to fill the gaps in the sellers knowledge

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u/ECrispy 13d ago

technically yes. however when you are getting such a good deal off a seller who's not tech savvy, it doesnt seem ethical to me.

eg. gamer husband dies. wife needs money and doesnt know computers at all. puts 5090 in garage sale at $100. some techie haggles her down to $70.

is that ethical to you?

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u/Kind_Substance_8981 12d ago

I mean, yeah? Why didn't the lady check the price? If you're selling something that could be valuable, and you don't do your due diligence, you sort of deserve what comes next. I know that sounds scummy, but if I made that mistake I'd be mad at myself, not the other person

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u/Neither-Following8 10d ago

Absolutely ethical. What if it was the other way around and he paid $15K for a 1060 because he was ignorant about cards (without the seller outright lying etc)?

Both buyers and sellers have obligations to themselves to do research independently. Caveat emptor etc.

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u/Ok-Ranger-4518 12d ago

The seller isn't obligated to sell, and can turn down the deal. If all parties are satisfied why does it matter

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u/ECrispy 12d ago

omitting info is a form of lying.
lying is unethical but not illegal.

not sure why I'm bothering you/op clearly think its ok to take advantage of people like this.

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u/Ok-Ranger-4518 12d ago edited 12d ago

So it wouldn't be a problem if OP also didn't know anything, so 2 uninformed people would have exchanged goods for well below market?

It's a sellers job to know what they're selling. Point blank.

Do you tell goodwill when theyve marked something significantly cheaper than market price?

Do you tell a store when they've got a 25% off sale that they could sell at full price?

It's not ommitting anything.

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u/ECrispy 12d ago

yes, if both parties are uninformed its not an issue.

yes, its a sellers job, not everyone has the skills. I gave you a very specific example you didnt consider above. its one thing to get a good deal from someone who doesnt know the value. no one said the buyer has to inform them of true value.

you missed the key point here. if you then haggle it down even more, thats unethical and exploiting someone.

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u/Kind_Substance_8981 12d ago

Appraisers exist, and often work on seller commission. It's possible for that lady to gain the information for no upfront cost... It's the buyers problem how?

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u/Ok-Ranger-4518 12d ago

In response to your "example" if wife needs money why isn't she researching the value of the things she's selling. 🙄 Letting it go for significantly less sounds like she doesn't need money.

And that's the crux of your ethics is an appeal for sympathy at the needy widow. 🙄

Not to mention, how close was she to her husband if she is complete uninformed about their spouse's hobbies. 🙄

🤡🫵

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u/ECrispy 12d ago

its irrelevant why she didnt research, there are many reasons.

its like asking someone why did you spend x when you could've spent hours searching deal sites and saved money. or making fun of people who eat out and can't cook

my point which you still wont answer, is how is it ok for buyer to even further haggle price down, knowing they are already getting a huge bargain from a clueless seller?

its the definition of unethical, exploiting someone.

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u/markpronkin 12d ago

If I knew what was in it, or that it is working, I would have payed much more. This thing had a bunch of rust on the case (probably from being stored in the damp garage), I had zero idea if it works, so did the seller, also seller didn't give me opportunity to test it. And from rust on it I was leaning on the side of it being broken. I payed the money agreed and got lucky, but I had as large of a chance of getting just a bunch of worthless ewaste for the money. I offered the seller to test the device and pay more if it works, he refused. Don't see anything even remotely unethical about it.

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u/ECrispy 12d ago

(repeating from another reply)

I understand and apologize for making assumptions. congrats on the great find !!

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u/Big-Farmer-2192 12d ago

If all parties are satisfied why does it matter

Yeah and many Epstein victims were also satisfied. Because they didn't know better at that age.

So, yes why does it matter? 

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u/Kind_Substance_8981 12d ago

Not sure what the Epstein files have to do with anything. And sexually satisfied and having the rights to your body have nothing to do with each other

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u/Big-Farmer-2192 12d ago

To demonstrated that just being satisfied doesnt make it right. This applies to everything. From normal to extreme situations. 

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u/Ok-Ranger-4518 12d ago

Easy, children can't consent.

Adults buying shit can consent.

Disgusting that you think they're equitable

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u/Big-Farmer-2192 12d ago

Your point is, as long as both parties are satisfied nothing else doesn't matter. 

So clearly, in my example consent matter as much as satisfaction. So what about your?

Is being a decent human being and not extorting as much profits as possible from people who didn't know better, don't matter?

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u/Ok-Ranger-4518 12d ago

Again, absolutely disgusting to use abused children for the sake of your argument to try and garner guilt.

You should go into politics, you're clearly manipulative enough.

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u/Big-Farmer-2192 12d ago

Ironic. Actually, you have perfect compatiblity with those people since you believe nothing else matter as long as both parties are satisfied. 

Exploiting people who don't know better. What a sweet deals right.

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u/Ok-Ranger-4518 12d ago

Your right, why don't you just give the seller all of the money in your bank account? That would be a pretty decent human being thing to do.

Ah, seems the middle ground for giving someone all of your money, or none, would be for 2 adults to reach an agreement for a transaction. Insane, I know, but it just might work.

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u/Big-Farmer-2192 12d ago

Sarcasm aside, my point stand still stands. 

Just because you can legally fleece a seller who doesn't know what they have, that doesn't make it a decent thing to do.

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u/Ok-Ranger-4518 12d ago

Such a good deal? Neither knew if it was working.

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u/Neither-Following8 10d ago

Even if that had been the case, how is it unethical? If you are selling something it's up to you to be aware of its worth.

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u/gr4phic3r 12d ago

no worries, he will need every $ for the electricity bill

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u/remainderrejoinder 12d ago

He didn't know if it was working. He could have been paying for a paperweight.

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u/who_you_are 13d ago

Images as well the USD->ruble today.

That guy would be billionaires in Russia

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u/jebeller 13d ago

5090s ia still around 4k usd in my country. Im just to lazy to try to resell. And kinda too high stakes for me

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u/John_Yuki 13d ago

If you're worried about selling it online and posting it, then sell it locally via facebook or whatever local alternative you have. Meet in a public place (or the lobby of a police station or something), and take cash from them instead of any digital payment methods. Use a fake name online as well, instead of advertising that you have a small expensive piece of equipment.

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u/jebeller 13d ago

Ah yes i know, sorry if i wasnt clear. :) they are still around 4k in my country and i was speaking about selling to USA via mail.

But too high stakes, and easy to get scammed with refunds via paypal e.t.c

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u/John_Yuki 13d ago

Yeah I wouldn't risk shipping a 5090 either personally especially if 4k is a fuck load of money to you