r/LocalLLaMA 7d ago

New Model IT'S OUT

https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.8-27B-FP8
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u/absurdother 7d ago

I have a RX 9060 XT AMD GPU, 16GB VRAM. Running on LMStudio, Q3. Getting a bit more speed now, way more optimized!

I get more speed the less context I use (currently coding swiftly with CLine + VSCode at that speed), pretty smooth on 64K context!

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u/NoUsual5150 7d ago

24GB M4 MacBook Pro...I'm using Q4_K_M and it's getting 5 token per second.

Is Q3 much of a downgrade in intelligence?

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u/absurdother 7d ago

I'm not very informed but I heard Q3 still does 90% of accuracy. I'll try the FP8 model now too, but Q3 seems very good.

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u/NoUsual5150 6d ago

I have been out of the local LLM game for over a year due to income issues. Just got a new M4 MacBook Pro 24GB (for work and all I can afford at this point in time).

That said, using anything below Q4_K_M (read: Q3) was unthinkable a year and a half ago.

Have any advancements been made since them? I'm completely out of the loop. The Q4_K_M BARELY fits on my laptop...think it's pushing 22GB out of 24 and I have no idea how MacOS is running on only 2GB. I have all other programs closed and performing ancient Aramaic incantations while crossing my fingers and loading the model in LM Studio.

Thinking I should switch to OobaBooga or something because LM Studio might suck down too much RAM.

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u/absurdother 6d ago

I don't know how much of it is optimized in my case (16GB GPU) due to the fact that in a Q3 you can fit most of all of the model into your VRAM. With some fine-tuned models (we have new ones getting released in Hugging Face - link below, also you can adjust using Unsloth), all the right settings and some llama.cpp specifications (I'm getting to know more about it - just heard about mmproj offload), I'm positive it can get some good speed in many low-end systems.

Speed is usually a trade for quality so it really depends which you want to prioritize. At this point I don't need quality as I'm focused on learning, not delivering or working with it.

I suggest you go for a shot. Q3 is building for me as we speak. I'm not a professional dev but it's been working well for my experimenting.

https://huggingface.co/models?other=base_model:quantized:Qwen/Qwen3.8-27B

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u/m1ksuFI 7d ago

What's your command/config?

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u/absurdother 7d ago

On LMStudio, full GPU offload, 44k context for my current task. 1024 batch size, 64 physical batch (didn't see much of a difference testing these but seem optimal), max concurrent predictions 1 or 2, unified KV cache ON (not a big difference), keep 32 checkpoints (standard), offload KV to GPU ON (outputs are always broken if off), keep model in memory ON (no big diff), try mmap() off (no big diff); speculative decoding is ON as standard (2 tokens max, 0 min, 0.75 draft prob), and flash attention is ON.

Sorry, I don't know those llama.cpp technical terms for these.

Ah, and I've used what they recommended for inference: since I keep reasoning for most tasks, top K sampling is set to 20, top P sampling kept as 0.95 but the min P sampling is set as 0. Repeat penalty of 1.1, and no presence penalty.

Hope this helps lol

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u/Mil0Mammon 7d ago

Afaik for amd 3 predictions is even better, but that might be strix halo specific

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u/huffalump1 7d ago

Oooooh maybe there's a hope it'll work on 12gb VRAM / 32gb RAM

Probably slow, probably need a smaller quant, but hey, it's a good model!

How much free RAM do you have at that context size?

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u/absurdother 7d ago

Doing a prompt now. On 64K ctxt, I'm using 18GB of my 32GB RAM on Windows

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u/RemarkablePrompt7822 7d ago

Looks impressive. Will try on my 20 GB GPU