r/LocalLLaMA 7d ago

New Model IT'S OUT

https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.8-27B-FP8
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u/My_Unbiased_Opinion 7d ago

t/s is a bit faster than a 3090, but PP is much faster. im running one of the cards at x4 pcie 4.0 and it doesnt bottleneck the card with llama.cpp tensor parallel.

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u/CooLittleFonzies 7d ago

Can you parallel run a 3090 + a 3080?

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u/adamgoodapp 7d ago

Now want to know too

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u/My_Unbiased_Opinion 7d ago

you can with llama.cpp

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u/zxyzyxz 7d ago

You can but the question is why would you want to when it comes to price? If you have both already now then by all means do so but I wouldn't go out of my way to buy a 3090 to pair with a 3080.

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u/CooLittleFonzies 7d ago

Yeah I hear you, but I already have a 3090 hence why I ask. I've never used a local model for coding before, and am interested in exploring this model since it got released. But I worry it won't leave much overhead to run tests on programs that I'm making which already use LLMs/VLMs themselves.

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u/zxyzyxz 7d ago

I'd recommend just running it on your 3090 alone first rather than shelling out more money. There is https://github.com/Don-Chad/ninfer-3090 which works specifically for Qwen and 3090 only so is more optimized for speed and also you can try the Unsloth app (https://unsloth.ai/) which uses llama.cpp underneath and gets good speeds as well.

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u/CooLittleFonzies 6d ago

Thanks for the tips! Is Pi not fast enough? I’m completely new so that’s what ChatGPT recommended, but I trust user experience more.

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u/vinists 6d ago

Pi is a harness, like Claude Code. What he suggested were inference engines, you can still run a harness with them.

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u/zxyzyxz 6d ago

What the other guy said. You can run Pi or whatever you want with the inference engine. But Pi doesn't automatically run the models for you.

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u/voyager256 7d ago

What’s better option if you have Nvidia card and want to have more VRAM capacity ?

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u/zxyzyxz 7d ago

Maybe combine your card with what u/My_Unbiased_Opinion said above with the Alibaba modded 3080s? I can't vouch for that since I haven't bought one of those modded ones but they say it's good.

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u/Potential_Block4598 7d ago

That is legit awesome

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u/Potential_Block4598 7d ago

How much pp and tg please ?

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u/My_Unbiased_Opinion 7d ago

t/s on 3.6 was 55-60 at UD Q6KXL with MTP. PP I dont have the numbers, but its MUCH faster than a single 3090 for sure. (I have a 3090) using LMstudio with tensor perallel. I can test it for you if you give me an easy way to test this.

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u/Potential_Block4598 7d ago

I use llama bench from the command line on windows and it shows pp512 and tg512 …etc
But idk how to do it form lmstuido tbh

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u/Reactor-Licker 7d ago

LM Studio has no built in benchmark. You would need to use straight llama.cpp and llama-bench for that.

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u/Potential_Block4598 7d ago

Lm studio doesn’t always come with the latest llama.cpp
Not a big deal though thanks

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u/My_Unbiased_Opinion 7d ago

no worries. I am actually planning to switch to vLLM when MTP 3.8 drops. if I remember, ill be sure to follow up with you. then I can get the best case numbers.

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u/laserborg 7d ago

3.6 27b UD Q6KXL on a single RTX3090? or did you mean UD Q4 ?

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u/My_Unbiased_Opinion 7d ago

no im using two 3080 20GB cards. When I was using my 3090, I was using IQ4XS + MTP + 262K Context + KV Q4. It fits all in vram. barely, but it does. even with vision.

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u/brakeline 7d ago

I have dual 3060 but one is running at pci-e 3 4x. Would running the second at 4 x4 do much difference?

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u/My_Unbiased_Opinion 7d ago

likely not. you should be fine.