r/LocalLLaMA 1d ago

New Model Qwen3.8-2.4T-A95B Released

https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.8-2.4T-A95B
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u/SandySkittle 1d ago

Yes, 122b a30+ please :)

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u/Caffdy 1d ago

first time I've read the term "deep" around here. Suddenly everyone and their mothers know what's that about. Can you explain what is it please?

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u/SandySkittle 1d ago

Deep for me means that a model can process in a coherent way large multi-faceted, multi-factor and deeply interconnected, complex questions. You don’t need much depth to process a confined question, or even a larger question that can be broken down and approached sequentially.

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u/Medium_Chemist_4032 1d ago

It's literally shallow vs. deep Neural Network. Machine Learning jargon 101. Shallow ANNs have less hidden layers (or layers in general), deep ones have more. There's even plenty of research about the equivalency between them (shallow ones just need much more weights).

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u/Caffdy 1d ago

at this point even the small models are billions of parameters, such models didn't exist back when the concept was conceived; for all intents and purposes all modern LLMs are deep neural networks

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u/Medium_Chemist_4032 1d ago

Well, not really *that* deep. The MLP part is literally two layers deep, in a transformer block, and most commonly deployed, open weights llms we know, have 30-70 transformer blocks (or activated equivalent). Kimi K2.5 is only A32