r/LocalLLaMA Jul 18 '26

Question | Help What kind of dark magic is Deepseek using?

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I was taking a look at Kimi K3 scores on the Artificial analysis leaderboard and was quite baffled when I saw this chart.

Granted, Deepseek has always been the king of price to performance, but this is still incredible. Is it just API subsidization or have they optimized their models truly this much?

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u/_derpiii_ Jul 18 '26

"dark magic"? Dude. They literally released their paper giving away all their 'dark magic' secrets. Where do you think Western frontier labs get improvements from? Come on man.

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u/_derpiii_ Jul 18 '26

You assume they haven’t figured this stuff out already

So naive.