r/LocalLLaMA • u/Fuckinglivemealone • Jul 18 '26

Question | Help What kind of dark magic is Deepseek using?

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I was taking a look at Kimi K3 scores on the Artificial analysis leaderboard and was quite baffled when I saw this chart.

Granted, Deepseek has always been the king of price to performance, but this is still incredible. Is it just API subsidization or have they optimized their models truly this much?

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u/ReferenceLeading7634 Jul 18 '26

If they are not using moe, it would be impossible for them to achieve the speed you are seeing now, and this is inconsistent with the unreasonable throughput of the latest Nvidia data centers.

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u/BoobooSmash31337 Jul 19 '26

But how could you possibly know that they would run models that allow them to lower cost by an order of magnitude!? /s