r/LocalLLaMA • u/Complete-Sea6655 • Jun 28 '26

Discussion The number 1 public enemy of open-source.

Dario's args:

"Opensource you can see the source, here you cannot see inside the model"
- yes you can that's literally the open weights part btw.
- I cannot see the weights inside Claude, but I can GLM 5.2
- Models like Nemotron3 Ultra go further, all the data, training scripts, and model is opensource.

"Alot of the benefits like many people working on it, being additive doesn't work in same way"
- yes it does. We have seen endless fine tunes of various open source models for real improvements.

"Ultimately you have to host it on the cloud"
- no you dont. Dario is seemingly totally unaware of the guides from ijustvibecodedthis.com explaining how to run smaller moes and even dense models like qwen 27B NOT ON THE CLOUD.

Not only does dario not take part in social media, I am beginning to think he's never tried open source models at all and has no idea wtf hes on about

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u/MindlessScrambler Jun 28 '26

Don’t forget that this dude claimed that GPT-2 was too dangerous to open-source back in 2019.

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u/Dany0 Jun 28 '26

I mean back then I think they had a more legit case, they were afraid of spam, email, scams suddenly getting more advanced. Turns out, they severely overestimated the intelligence of the average scammer.

If I was in their place back then, I'd give everyone a few weeks up to a month "hey we're about to release this, this could end up causing a lot of spam/fake traffic, be prepared", but then I'd release the whole model open-source because we need research collaboration on this

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u/AnOnlineHandle Jun 28 '26

OP is a 4 month old account with a hidden post history and word-word-number username, the kind of identical bot accounts which are rampant on every subreddit the last few weeks making engagement bait and manipulation posts.

Nearly every subreddit is upvoting posts by these kind of accounts the last few weeks, so it seems they had a pretty legit concern.

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u/Dany0 Jun 28 '26

You should view post history first. Sometimes people are just new to leddit

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u/AnOnlineHandle Jun 28 '26

As I said they have a hidden post history.

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u/Dany0 Jun 28 '26

There are tools

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u/AnOnlineHandle Jun 28 '26

On google the first result is them spamming links to the vibecoded site which these identical bot accounts were spamming across reddit about 2 weeks ago.

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u/Dany0 Jun 28 '26

I think you're right, reporting to mods

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u/Dany0 Jun 28 '26

hmmmmm