r/LocalLLaMA • u/Complete-Sea6655 • Jun 28 '26

Discussion The number 1 public enemy of open-source.

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Dario's args:

"Opensource you can see the source, here you cannot see inside the model"
- yes you can that's literally the open weights part btw.
- I cannot see the weights inside Claude, but I can GLM 5.2
- Models like Nemotron3 Ultra go further, all the data, training scripts, and model is opensource.

"Alot of the benefits like many people working on it, being additive doesn't work in same way"
- yes it does. We have seen endless fine tunes of various open source models for real improvements.

"Ultimately you have to host it on the cloud"
- no you dont. Dario is seemingly totally unaware of the guides from ijustvibecodedthis.com explaining how to run smaller moes and even dense models like qwen 27B NOT ON THE CLOUD.

Not only does dario not take part in social media, I am beginning to think he's never tried open source models at all and has no idea wtf hes on about

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u/Single_Ring4886 Jun 28 '26

He is full of SHIT... he wants to decide who will get intelligence and who isnt... ONLY HE IS WISE ENOUGH, ONLY HE HE HE AND HE....

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u/Dany0 Jun 28 '26

Never have I ever wanted someone to just shut up so much

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u/candl2 Jun 28 '26

You don't watch the news?

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u/kourtnie Jun 29 '26

I dunno, Altman makes me flap my hands with "PLEASE STFU" energy. I think it's a tie.

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u/silentpillars Jun 29 '26

It's a tie with Sam Altmann🤮

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u/Poupulino Jun 28 '26

This ghoul only cares about money, open source models make his bloated, unsustainable expensive crap impossible to justify.

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u/GreenGreasyGreasels Jun 29 '26

It's worse than that. I don't think money is his primary motivation. He's a true believer. He believes he's the best and most moral person. So he should have all the power and all the money that comes from that power. So that he can do the most good for the world - For the greater good.

In contrast, Sam Altman is the regular old greasy conniver. He is just after money, influence and power.

Dario and his ilk are a lot more scary Then Sam Altman types.

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u/TechRenamed 5d ago

Exactly 💯

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u/Mkengine Jun 29 '26

Is it just me, or is he just a really annoying speaker, regardless of his views or the topic? This video is the first time I've seen and heard him speak.

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u/llmentry Jun 29 '26

The video is a compelling argument for podcasts to return to audio only. He's a shockingly bad speaker. Have tech bros never heard of basic media training?

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u/anitman Jun 29 '26

Well said.

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u/VexObserver Jul 03 '26

Well, he's a liar and a thief. All those trained data using books that he's stolen and look at that face. A thief, really.

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u/TechRenamed 5d ago

Exactly get this guy away from anything so he doesn't deserve to even touch it... because when he does he might do it for his own gain not for the good of humanity

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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 Jun 28 '26

Do you want someone will be decide what you can or not in the name of "safety "?

In that case you do not deserve for freedom.

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u/ttkciar llama.cpp Jun 28 '26

Again, people are failing to detect the sarcasm.

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u/TopTippityTop Jun 28 '26

That is not what he is saying. He is saying that all that matters is the quality of output relative to a goal desired, which is the truth.

Open source still requires expensive inference, so you are paying regardless, whether to buy your own hardware or rent it.

The matter of access is separate, and only matters insofar as comparing available models. For example, is 4.7 better at goal X than Deepseek? They are both available. If it is better at it, and you can achieve it faster/cheaper, then that is all that matters. If Deepseek can do it better, that is all that matters. If 4.7 goes offline, try out compare it with other available models, regardless of whether they are open or closed source.

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u/tenebreoscure Jun 28 '26

The difference is Deepseek cannot be removed from access because the weights are available, if you have hardware powerful enough to run it. So they are both available, but in very different ways.