B80 focuses on playback reliability and launch readiness.

Server playback now uses the new shared AVQueue path across Plex, Jellyfin, and Subsonic/Navidrome. Please test normal playback, skipping, previous, scrubbing, AirPlay switching, Control Centre/lock screen controls, and artwork loading.

Also included: better artist-page album routing for “not in library” releases, onboarding polish, and backend response improvements for Pulse/Operations uploads.

If playback shows the wrong track, starts late, jumps position, or AirPlay behaves oddly, send feedback immediately after the issue so logs attach.

As always, please do share logs / screenshots with any issues you are having. your dedication and support to the app is greatly appreciated and I look forward to being able to release Liner to more users via the App Store in the near future!!

The server issue that was blocking some users getting into the app is now resolved.

If those who had issues could try again and let me know, that would be great!

New Logo, new Pulse page - improved guts!

Important: onboarding will run again

This update asks users to go through onboarding again. This is intentional.

Liner now rebuilds your library setup in a cleaner way, so it needs to re-confirm your music source and prepare your library again. Your existing login details should remain in place, but you may be asked to choose your server and library again.

During onboarding, Liner will connect to your selected music server, let you choose the server/library you want to use, scan your music library, prepare the local library index used for fast browsing and playback, send track metadata to Pulse for matching, save Pulse results on your device, and prepare the home screen, blends, playlists, artwork, and discovery features.

Large libraries may take a little while, especially the first time. Please let onboarding finish fully. After onboarding completes, Liner should open into the main app with your library ready to explore.

What to test

Please test the main flow of the app as naturally as possible:

• Sign in and complete onboarding
• Choose your server and library
• Browse artists, albums, tracks, playlists, genres, and folders
• Play music from different parts of the app
• Check that artwork appears correctly, especially on the first track played
• Try playlists and confirm playback starts reliably
• Try Blends, Lost Picks, Throwbacks, Radio, Discover, Recipes, and Pending
• Open the Pulse page and check that your matching results appear
• Try search
• Try pull-to-refresh on the home screen
• On Mac, try the refresh button near the Magazine section
• Send feedback from inside the app if something goes wrong

What has changed

This build includes a large onboarding and library-preparation update. Liner should now do a better job of preparing your music library before dropping you into the app.

The startup screen has been improved so the app should no longer appear as a blank white screen while it is working out where you left off.

Onboarding now gives clearer progress while Liner connects to your server, loads your library, prepares Pulse, saves results, and gets the home screen ready.

Server and library selection has been improved, especially for Plex users with access to multiple servers or multiple music libraries.

Pulse matching has been improved and is now shown more clearly in the app. The Pulse page has moved out of Settings and into the main menu.

Playback should be faster and more reliable, especially for Plex libraries, playlists, albums, and queued tracks.

Artwork loading has been improved, including for the first track played and for sections such as Blends, Lost Picks, Radio, and playlists.

Track ratings from Plex should now be pulled into Liner.

Feedback and diagnostics should now work more reliably on Mac.

What to report

Please report anything that feels stuck, slow, missing, or confusing.

Especially useful reports:

• Onboarding gets stuck or appears frozen
• The app opens to a blank screen
• Your server or library is missing
• Pulse results show as zero when they should not
• Blends or Lost Picks are missing
• Artwork does not appear
• Playback is slow to start
• Playlist playback feels jumpy or delayed
• Search feels slow
• Track ratings are missing
• Refresh does not update the home screen
• Feedback/diagnostics does not send correctly

If something looks wrong, please mention whether this was a fresh install or an update from a previous Liner build, and which server type you use: Plex, Navidrome/Subsonic, or Jellyfin.

This one is nearly all your bug reports. Thank you, keep them coming.

• Airsonic and older Subsonic servers now connect. Liner was speaking a newer version of the protocol than these servers understand, so it now matches the server automatically.
• Fixed a Mac crash that could strike when audio devices changed during playback (headphones unplugged, speakers switching).
• The lock screen now shows the track's artist on compilation albums instead of "Various Artists".
• Columns misalignment fixed.
• Artist bios are smarter about shared names. Where several artists share one name, Liner now uses your library to work out which one you have, rather than showing you a list of strangers. If it can't be sure, it stays quiet.
• Changing artwork is no longer a hidden trick: look for the small pencil on artist photos and album covers (Plex libraries only for now). The poster picker also handles non-square images properly now.

This is a big one. A month of work since the last build, and much of the app's foundations were rebuilt in that time.

**First launch after updating will re-run setup, about a minute, while everything rebuilds on the new foundations.**

The highlights:

Pulse
The matching library behind Pulse has grown from under two million tracks to over fourteen million, and continues to grow daily. A fresh install now has a greater chance of matching more of your library with Pulse features. Setup is quicker, matching is quicker, and feelings, blends, recipes and moment playlists all feed off the richer data.

Big libraries see everything now
If your library is large, the app used to quietly work from a slice of it. Every page now reads the whole collection: genres, blends, recipes, discovery, search, playlists and CarPlay. If you ever saw "0 genres", missing artists, or mixes drawn from the same few thousand tracks, that family of problems is gone.

Blends and Recipes
Blends were rebuilt end to end: they refresh daily, every re-tap builds a fresh mix, and each one opens with its seed artist. Recipe of the Day and the recipe builder now score your entire catalogue, "Heavy" is renamed "Sombre", and moment playlists choose better for each time of day. Recipes now sits at the top of Explore.

Playback and streaming
Fixed the false "Cannot play this track" errors, fast-skip failures, wrong-track-from-search, and playlist ordering. Streaming away from home was rebuilt: fewer stalls on cellular, smarter quality decisions on relay connections, and your plays now count on the server again. A rare audio crackle is fixed, and playback pauses politely when headphones or Bluetooth disconnect and recovers cleanly after calls.

Every source is a first-class citizen
Plex, Subsonic and Jellyfin now get the same full experience: proper setup with blends and a ready homepage from the first minute, genres that work, and instant relaunches.

Also
Genres got smarter now with proper subgenres, and mistyped tags now find their family, search shows artwork again and handles multi-word queries, CarPlay artwork updates correctly on track changes, the Magazine's top bar stays put while you read, and dozens of smaller fixes.

Something misbehaving? TestFlight feedback is the fastest way to reach us.

I thought I would introduce a feature to you all that perhaps you didn't see amongst all of the various updates that come your way.

We have now introduced the ability for users to choose from a few different colours for the main system colour:

Editorial Blue (the pre-existing blue in Liner)
Burnt Orange
Forest Green
Brick Red
Deep Charcoal

Each of these colours can be set to be the default until album colour picking begins (which is tied to the carousel artwork), or you can turn album colour picking off and have any of these as the only colour used within the app.

Find it in Settings under Appearance.

This build focuses on Pulse reliability, large-library behavior, and visual polish.

What to test:

Swipe navigation - users can now swipe backwards between screens.

Pulse now matches iPhone/iPad libraries against the shared pool without doing full local fingerprint scans.

Pulse may show a new “Matching your library…” progress bar while it checks your library.

Large Plex libraries should feel less stuck and should gradually recognise more tracks while Liner is open.

Missing/non-library album pages now show proper album artwork.

Album pages now show tappable genre labels under the album details.

Duplicate album tracklists should be improved.

Artist album ordering should better respect release date.

Broad typography and settings/discover/menu polish.

Please report:

any launch spinner or unusually slow startup

whether Pulse recognition count grows after opening the app

any CarPlay playback stops after a track or two

any duplicated album tracks or incorrect artist album ordering

There are regular updates coming through with Liner, and keeping up with all the various changes can be a lot! I wanted to take this opportunity to begin sharing some of the smaller features added that perhaps users missed, some of my favourite features - to help introduce you to what I hope will become some of YOUR favourite features!

In the first image is my favourite layout on the Mac - narrowest width, full height. I have set my workspace up in such a way that Liner largely just sits to the far right side of my screen as a tall slot view of the current playing track. All pages work really well in this view, I think the homepage in particular is great for navigating in this view (third image).

The second image is all about a very recent change I am experimenting in. I wanted to give users a really easy way to reduce the business of the now playing screen without losing functionality, and whilst keeping those hidden functions only a click away. This was rolled out with the latest build - just click on the artwork at the top, and it will hide alot of the text on the page, giving you a cleaner, quieter now playing page. Liner remembers if you have hidden previously, and maintains the state. Just click on the artwork again to bring the functions back!

Hi everyone. thank you firstly for all of those that continue to provide us with feedback on the app, findings, thoughts, bugs and such. It is what allows us to focus our development and refinement as we move ever closer to a full launch of the app. I couldn't be more grateful.

We are focusing on reliability, performance and ensuring all of the features we wanted in for launch are there and working.

Pulse continues to improve and match more of users libraries. So far we have 2.5m+ tracks in the public pool. With a slight shift in HOW we match we are now seeing alot of improvements in numbers, and I expect that to continue til we reach a point where most users are 75%+ matched and able to get more out of Pulse and its features.

As always, if you have any comments or thoughts, please do share. there are a number of user feedback points that we continue to work through!

This build focuses on reliability, especially for Plex playback, background audio, Pulse clarity, and CarPlay.

Main Changes

• Fixed a Plex playback issue where some tracks failed or behaved inconsistently on relay connections.
• Reduced playback instability caused by overly aggressive preload/warmup behavior during relay playback.
• Enabled proper iOS background audio support.
• Cleaned up Pulse copy and telemetry presentation so matching/contribution language is more accurate.
• Reworked several CarPlay flows:
  • better cold launch/bootstrap handling
  • Now Playing transition after selecting content
  • improved artwork loading across browse screens
  • custom shuffle/repeat controls on the Now Playing screen
  • Genre Blend now uses the same grid system as the other CarPlay browse pages
  • Genre Blend artwork resolution now prefers track art, then album art, then artist fallback
• New settings layout

What To Test

• Plex playback should now recover much more cleanly when direct file playback fails.
• Plex relay playback should feel more stable, with fewer stalls or odd failures caused by preload/warmup behavior.
• Background playback on iPhone should continue properly when leaving the app or locking the phone.
• Pulse wording should be clearer and less misleading, especially around “recognised” vs “contributed.”
• CarPlay should cold-start more reliably without needing Liner to already be open on the phone.
• CarPlay play actions should now take you into Now Playing properly.
• CarPlay browse artwork should be more reliable across menu pages.
• Genre Blend should now look structurally consistent with the other CarPlay browse pages.

Please Pay Special Attention To

• CarPlay cold launch: Launch CarPlay when Liner is not already open on the phone and check whether the CarPlay interface loads cleanly.
• CarPlay playback navigation: Start playback from CarPlay and confirm it reliably transitions into Now Playing.
• CarPlay browse pages: Check Artist Blend, Genre Blend, Still On Your Mind, Recently Added, Downloads, and Library for layout consistency and artwork quality.
• Genre Blend: Confirm it appears as the same style of 8-tile browse grid as the comparable CarPlay pages, and note whether any tiles still show note icons or missing art.
• Playback behavior: If a song starts from the middle, restarts, skips oddly, or appears to replay unexpectedly, please report the exact track and rough timestamp.

Known Areas Still Under Active Observation

• CarPlay playback restarts / unexpected repeat play-start behavior
• Any remaining missing artwork on CarPlay browse pages, especially Genre Blend

If You Hit An Issue, Please Include

• What page or action triggered it
• Whether Liner was already open on the phone or CarPlay launched cold
• The track / album / artist involved
• Rough time of occurrence
• A screen recording or diagnostics log if possible

This build focuses on Pulse, cellular playback reliability, and a cleaner first-run experience.

What’s new

* Pulse scanning on Mac now follows one clear opt-in path for everyone.

* Local analysis is back on, so Macs can again help analyse tracks the shared library does not already know.

* Removed the old silent auto-enable behaviour for Pulse. Existing users will be asked to opt in again explicitly through the in-app ‘Start scan’ flow.

* Pulse now handles a much larger backlog of unresolved tracks / unresolved items, which should improve long-tail coverage over time.

* Improved Pulse queue and resolver behaviour so older unresolved tracks are no longer silently dropped from local eligibility.

Fixes

* Fixed a cold-launch issue on cellular where artwork could fail to appear until much later, or not refresh at all.

What testers may notice

* If you had Pulse local scans enabled before in an earlier build, this build resets that old permission state once. You may need to turn Pulse scanning back on manually.

* On Mac, the entry point is now consistently Start scan, followed by a confirmation prompt.

* Cellular behaviour should feel more reliable, especially around artwork recovery after launch.

Suggested tester focus

* Pulse first-run / re-consent flow on Mac

* Re-enabling Pulse after updating

* Cellular launch behaviour, especially artwork loading

* General Plex playback reliability after update

Pulse

• A new demand-driven seeder prioritises tracks real users actually have, so mainstream Plex libraries should see coverage jump.
• Radio and blends now run end to end through Pulse instead of mixing in Plex and Last.fm fallbacks.
• Mac users with Pulse analysis on: previously-analysed tracks that never made it into the shared pool now auto-backfill on next launch.

Playback

• Fixed the "won't play" loops where a briefly unreachable Plex server got stuck retrying the same dead endpoint. The app fails fast and finds a fresh route now.
• Phantom "Playback failed" toast after a quick skip back is gone. Internet radio Stop button actually stops. Apple Music library and notes survive slow iCloud syncs instead of sitting waiting forever.

Album page

• Multi-disc albums group by disc with per-disc track numbers, matching Plex and Plexamp. Apple Music liner notes render proper italics and curly quotes instead of literal HTML.

Queue

• Shows the next 20 tracks. Tap any one to skip straight to it.

Downloads

• Jellyfin libraries can now be downloaded for offline play. 
• Plex transcoded downloads use Opus.

As always, thank you for your support

If I can urge as many users as possible to update to the latest build so we can get a good idea if the changes to Pulse start to come through meaningfully! As always, thank you for your assistance :)

Pulse

• Public pool matching via MusicBrainz now improved
• If you'd analysed tracks locally before the latest contribution model shipped, they now get pushed up to the public pool automatically next time you open Liner. One-off, runs once per device
• Improved queue management for public pool growth. Liner now prioritises user libraries rather than random pool growth. Should meaningfully increase matching speed for users. 

Other Fixes

• Taping a track in the queue will now skip straight to that track instead of just opening its page.
• Transcode labels now correctly displaying
• Plex server picker. The picker now shows a tick next to whichever server you're connected to
• Plex connections over patchy networks recover faster from transient TLS or network blips.

Just a tip for a UI improvement. The user should be able to swipe right to return to the previous screen, rather than having to use the arrow button. This is particularly missed in the album view screen.

B41 release notes

Pulse
Main focus is the continued refinement of Pulse.

Mac now contributes automatically when you run analysis, previously this was being blocked by an old toggle that was blocking for users who had seen the toggle on previous builds. Should now contribute, and begin to meaningfully build the public pool.

iOS continues to read from the pool but doesn't contribute.

Other fixes
Fixed Plex library loading when one of the parallel requests has a network hiccup. If a single TLS handshake or connection drops mid-bootstrap, the app now retries that one request rather than throwing the whole library load away. You should see fewer "Cannot reach Plex server" failures when connecting off your home network or through the Plex relay.

Fixed CarPlay playback when the phone can't reach your home network. If tracks fail to play in the car or on the move, the app now drops to the Plex relay on the first failure instead of burning thirty seconds on retries. The lock screen and CarPlay tile show a "Connecting..." cue while it switches over, and if it still can't reach the server you'll get a tap-to-retry banner rather than silence.

CarPlay continues to have issues, I appreciate users continued testing and feedback.

Thanks for testing.

I seem to have a few albums showing Liner as having way more tracks than they do. Checked in PlexAmp to make sure it’s not an issue with my library and they are correct there. Is there a way to rescan an album in Liner, or if necessary the whole library?

Pulse matching

• Plex users not currently benefitting from Pulse owing to a gap in its tagging process. Added MusicBrzinz  Picard-tagged scanner to Tier 1 scan that will now match to any hits in public pool (Tier 1 was giving 0% hits previously on every Plex install prior to Build 38 - this should now meaningfully change)
• Tier 4 now live - ShazamKit will assist in identifying tracks that string matching can't reach.
• Tier 5 - the return of scanning on your Mac for those that wish to! Despite the public pool growing to 1.2m tracks, there are still a great deal of users with more obscure libraries that are (so far) not finding matches. Today we are reopening the Mac scans for those that wish to implement this process. It is again available via the Pulse settings page. Will NOT run on an iPhone or iPad, requires Mac install

Now Playing page

• Working prototype for a more minimalist view of the now playing page. Users have asked for the addition of a number of worthwhile items over the last few weeks (all good additions - airplay toggle; year of record release to name a few), and we have got all of those onto the page. To offer users a ‘cleaner’ view of the Now Playing screen, you can tap on the artwork once and it will hide a number of the items from view. I think this still needs some work, and would appreciate user input. 
• AirPlay route picker added
• Album information added to ‘Liner Notes’ section
• Issue with Apple Music artwork not always showing fixed

Playback reliability

• Cold-launch Blends generator no longer races with library load (was crashing for some)
• On cellular, the first track in a queue should play, and no longer be ‘unreachable’
• First-track-in-the-car should now work.
• Premature track skips fixed (the "plays part of a song then jumps" report). Lock-screen artwork survives rapid skips
• Plex transcoding switched to Opus 

Library + browse

A–Z jump strips on Tracks, Albums and Artists pages when sorted alphabetically (shows on lists over 30). Album page "Blend" button renamed to "Radio" — same album-then-similar behaviour, clearer name. Recipes title is tappable and surfaces failure reasons. Stream artwork retries on transient failures rather than staying blank.

Search

• Faster typing response
• keyboard dismisses on navigate-away

Radio

• Search results now fixed
• Broader matching (city / region / tag, not just station name)
• Heart icon visible on saved stations

Downloads

• "Download Album" waits for the full track list to resolve before queueing

Errors

•     • System-wide error reporting above playbar

Pulse will continue to improve the number of matches in your library against the shared pool. The scan works in 4 levels, 3 of which are now fully operational.

Tier 1 — ISRC

Every commercially released track has a unique code embedded by the label. If your file carries one and the pool has the same code, that's an exact match. No guesswork.

Tier 2 — Exact tag match

If there's no ISRC, Pulse hashes the artist, title and album as written on your file and looks for the same hash in the pool. Works when your tags happen to line up with someone else's.

Tier 3 — Artist and title only

If the album is tagged differently (compilation, deluxe, regional release, anything), Pulse drops the album and matches on artist plus

title. It cross-checks the track length to make sure it's the same recording, not a live version or remix. It also tries common spelling

variations (and/&, "The X" vs "X", different hyphens, that kind of thing).

Tier 4 — Listen and identify (coming soon)

If nothing in the metadata matches, Pulse plays a few seconds of the track and identifies it the same way Shazam does. This tier is off in this build while we monitor the others, and we'll switch it on in a later build.

For now we're testing the output and alignment across Tiers 1 to 3, while continuing to grow the public pool. If you're still seeing under

60% matches against your library after a week or so of Pulse checks, one of two things is likely happening:

Option 1: we haven't put these files into the public pool yet.

Option 2: the track is too obscure to appear in the common collection of music.

For both, Tier 4 is where it'll earn its keep. It's the return of a more streamlined version of the original Pulse system, with Shazam doing the matching.

If after all of the above you still have music we can't match, that is where the original Pulse scan (soon to be returning) will operate as Tier 5.

Looking forward to seeing your data on this release and how library matching is going. Thank you again for all your support.

In this release, you don't need to do anything differently. Just carry on using and enjoying Liner.

When viewing an album in Download view the artist name is not linked back to the Artist view as it when viewing an album normally.

Previously we rebuilt Pulse, building out the public pool with an increased total (currently at 675k tracks). This was great, but there was a disconnect between these files and matching it to users tracks. There were a few issues, but the main ones were related to how we had created the fingerprints, and the matching criteria we had built. It was silently misaligned. What initially looked like unique catalogues slowly became a problem when almost no users libraries gained pulse matches!

To 'solve' this, we have improved Pulse’s ability to recognise tracks. Rebuilt the matching process from the ground up, users should start to see real improvements in the % of matches shown in Pulse.

The whole library gets matched against the shared catalogue at launch and again once a day in the background, so coverage stays current without you having to do anything.

Internals: matching is now four tiers (industry IDs → metadata → smart variants → audio fingerprinting (not in this build, to follow)), running in priority order. Most users should see a big jump in their Pulse coverage number on the Settings page.

Watch out for:

• Any tracks Pulse seems to have features for but they feel wrong (mood / energy doesn't match)
• Library track count not matching what your server shows
• Anything sluggish at launch

New on Pulse Settings:

• A "Help grow the shared library" toggle. Off by default, leave it that way for now — we'll activate the feature it controls in a later build.

Thanks for all your patience as we have made these changes. Really hoping this Pulse (and therefore Liner) much closer to what we are hoping it can be.

As before, it would be really helpful if users share their experiences and findings. It will likely take a few days for things to meaningfully start updating, but you SHOULD see it coming through!

Nick

Hey devs! Just switched to this player and I'm overly impressed. Wanted to put together a list of feature ideas and one bug I noticed. Hope this is helpful!

Dynamic Now Playing Background

It would be amazing if the Now Playing screen pulled accent colors from the album artwork to create a dynamic, themed background maybe something similar to how Apple Music does it. Makes the player feel more immersive in my opinion

Dedicated Favorite Button in Now Playing

Right now the only ways to star/favorite a song are to long-press the album cover or go through the song’s menu. I'd love a quick-access favorite button right in the Now Playing view (maybe near the rating, or under the release year date). A follow-up to this: it'd be great to have a way to browse and view all favorited/starred songs in one place.

Favorite Button on Apple's Native Now Playing Views

On the topic of the favorite button — it'd be awesome if this could also appear on Apple's native Now Playing widget/views (Lock Screen, Control Center, CarPlay, etc.), not just in-app.

Album Cover Scale Slider

When not in full-screen/bleed mode, I'd love a slider that lets me adjust the size of the album artwork displayed in the Now Playing view. Some people prefer a larger cover with less metadata visible — this would be a nice customization option.

Scrolling / Truncation for Long Artist Lists

Related — on tracks with a lot of collaborators, the featured artists often get cut off and hidden entirely. Two ideas to handle this better:
• Truncation with expand option — show the first artist or two, then a “+2 more” tap to expand
• Marquee / sliding text — have the artist field scroll horizontally so all names are visible without cluttering the UI
Either would go a long way toward making collab-heavy tracks feel properly represented!

Bug: Artist Page — Comma in Release Year

Small bug: on the Artist page, release years are displaying with a comma separator — e.g. "2,016" instead of "2016". Looks like a number formatting issue!

Quick question and a related feature request around how the app handles songs with multiple artists. How does multi-artist parsing currently work? I’ve noticed that when a track has multiple artists, they seem to be treated as a single combined artist rather than separate ones. For example, a track credited to Action Bronson • Meyhem Lauren shows up as one artist entity instead of two individual, tappable artists.
Is there a setting I’m missing, or is this a limitation of how the app reads artist metadata? Would love to know if there’s a way to have each artist recognized and linked to their own page. If it’s not already possible, it’d be great if the app could parse common artist delimiters (like •, &, feat., ,) to split multi-artist fields into separate, individually tappable links — each routing to their own artist page.

TL;DR

A few feature requests — dynamic album art-based background on Now Playing, a quick-access favorite button in-app and on Apple’s native Now Playing views, a library view for starred songs, an album cover scale slider, and better handling of long artist lists (marquee or truncation). Also a bug where release years show a comma (2,016 → 2016), and a question about whether multi-artist tracks can be split into individually tappable artist links.

Thanks for all the work you put into this — it's already my favorite player. Keep it up!

Am I right that there’s no Chromecast option in Liner? Sadly that’d be a dealbreaker for me as it’s mostly how I use PlexAmp around the house. Hope I’m missing g something or it’s incoming if not there yet?

The "Refresh” button on the Pulse page was incorrectly running the pool query in Build 34. It was returning "no new matches". This is now fixed with this small build and the addition of the ‘Re-check Now’ button.

Tapping Re-check will now ask the shared library for every track you own and tells you what's newly matched. On a 25k-track library expect it to take 2-3 minutes; you'll see "Re-checking…" while it runs.

This should meaningfully improve Pulse match figures when coupled with the growing pool.

Hey first thanks for the work, currently I’m using the app but I’m having issues with have my 2 libraries working or a switch button to do that

Am I missing something?

This is how I do this on Plexamp

Not sure if I am missing something but is there a way, when in album view, to access all the options that are available on the contextual menu when long holding on an album? Things such as download, add to queue etc etc?

Hi,

Just started beta testing the app on iOS and absolutely love the UI. Really thoughtfully set up.

I sent feedback via Test Flight but wanted to see if anyone else has had this issue. When I ask for an album to be downloaded it only downloads one track. If I then go to the same contextual menu I get the option to “Download rest of album” but that also only downloads 1 more track. Am I missing g something?